Re: Weisz of bodzasujlak

So I don't have enough information, but it doesn't look like a match so far.

Kol Tuv,

Reuven Chaim Klein

Beitar Illit, Israel

Author of: God versus Gods: Judaism in the Age of Idolatry (NEW!) & Lashon HaKodesh: History, Holiness, & Hebrew

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On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 11:55 PM Toivy kahan <toivykahan@gmail.com> wrote:

this is all i know of the weisz family

see attached

On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 1:52 PM RC Klein <yeshivish@gmail.com> wrote:

I don't know, do you have more information so I can see if it matches up? Devorah Kuttner's parents were Moshe Weisz and Rivka/Regina Galaundaur. Does that match up to anything you have?

Kol Tuv,

Reuven Chaim Klein

Beitar Illit, Israel

Author of: God versus Gods: Judaism in the Age of Idolatry (NEW!) & Lashon HaKodesh: History, Holiness, & Hebrew

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On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 8:40 PM Toivy kahan <toivykahan@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,

my name is Toivy Kahan,

i am a descendant from david and mindel weisz from bodzasujlak is this related to your family?

i saw on your website the name deborah kuttner born in ujvidek is it the same family?

bodzasujlak is today novosad

let me know 

Thanks in advance  

Re: Weisz of bodzasujlak

I don't know, do you have more information so I can see if it matches up? Devorah Kuttner's parents were Moshe Weisz and Rivka/Regina Galaundaur. Does that match up to anything you have?

Kol Tuv,

Reuven Chaim Klein

Beitar Illit, Israel

Author of: God versus Gods: Judaism in the Age of Idolatry (NEW!) & Lashon HaKodesh: History, Holiness, & Hebrew

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On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 8:40 PM Toivy kahan <toivykahan@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,

my name is Toivy Kahan,

i am a descendant from david and mindel weisz from bodzasujlak is this related to your family?

i saw on your website the name deborah kuttner born in ujvidek is it the same family?

bodzasujlak is today novosad

let me know 

Thanks in advance  

Re: Elimelech descendants

There are a few things fishy here. First of all, the Noam Elimelech lived from 1717-1787, so it's very hard to say that his brother would have a granddaughter who died in 1940. The Hebrew word in the tombstone נכדת literally means granddaughter, but in practice can be used colloquially to just mean "descendant". Second, I wasn't aware that Rabbi Elimelech of Lizhensk had a brother named Nathan Schupf. He famously had a brother named Reb Zushia of Anipoli. But then I looked on Geni.com and I found that  Rabbi Elimelech actually did have a brother named Noson, although his surname is given as Lipman, not Schupf. See  https://www.geni.com/people/R-Nusen-Lipman/5216866388820127404  you might want to pursue that avenue. Also, I tried looking up the name נתן שאפף on various platforms, and I couldn't find it mentioned anywhere, so he doesn't seem to have been such a famous person. You might want to get in touch with my friend from Los Angeles, Rabbi Elchanan Shoff <rabbishoff@gmail.com> who last name sounds very similar to Schupf, maybe he might have some insights.

Sorry I couldn't be of more help to your quest.

Kol Tuv,

Reuven Chaim Klein

Beitar Illit, Israel

Author of: God versus Gods: Judaism in the Age of Idolatry (NEW!) & Lashon HaKodesh: History, Holiness, & Hebrew

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On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 3:34 AM Cynthia Parr <cynthiaparr@verizon.net> wrote:

Attached is copy of tombstone

Thanks

Cynthia

-----Original Message-----
From: RC Klein <yeshivish@gmail.com>
To: Cynthia Parr <cynthiaparr@verizon.net>
Sent: Sat, Jul 27, 2019 1:26 pm
Subject: Re: Elimelech descendants

Do you have a picture of the tombstone that you can send me?

Kol Tuv,

Reuven Chaim Klein

Beitar Illit, Israel

Author of: God versus Gods: Judaism in the Age of Idolatry (NEW!) & Lashon HaKodesh: History, Holiness, & Hebrew

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On Sat, Jul 27, 2019 at 6:14 PM Cynthia Parr <cynthiaparr@verizon.net> wrote:

My great-grandmother's grave stone lists that she was the granddaughter (I think this means descendant because of) Nathan Schupf, the brother of Elimelech of Lyzanz. I am confused about the last name since I would think it should be Weisblum or Lipman. Does anyone know of any link to the Schupf family. My great-grandmother was Mindle Schupf.

Thanks

Cynthia Parr

Re: Relative?

Yes we are related. Yissocher Dov is not the same as Hersh Ber. Hersch Ber = Tzvi Dov. 

Hersch Ber/Tzvi Dov Klein of Munktach was the son of Reuven Chaim Klein author of Shenos Chaim, who was my ggg-grandfather. So basically, Hersch Ber's brother (Binyamin Eliezer) was my gg-grandfather.

Pretty cool. Small world, ain't it?

Kol Tuv,

Reuven Chaim Klein

Beitar Illit, Israel

Author of: God versus Gods: Judaism in the Age of Idolatry (NEW!) & Lashon HaKodesh: History, Holiness, & Hebrew

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On Thu, Jun 13, 2019 at 11:24 PM Elizabeth Bergman <ebergman@easternunion.com> wrote:

Hi,
I just started receiving your emails. Are you by any chance related to
Yissocher Dov (Hersh Ber) Klein from Munkatch?

Your name is a family name so was very curious.


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Re: The JewishGen Family Finder:

Hey Ari, I don't think it's the same Mermelstein family that I'm researching. Sorry.

Kol Tuv,

Reuven Chaim Klein

Beitar Illit, Israel

Author of: God versus Gods: Judaism in the Age of Idolatry (NEW!) & Lashon HaKodesh: History, Holiness, & Hebrew

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On Fri, May 3, 2019 at 10:04 PM Ari Dale <JGJGFF@lyris.jewishgen.org> wrote:

From : Ari Dale, (researcher code 109708) ari@zion.tc

To : Reuven Chaim Klein, (researcher code 106665)

Subject : The JewishGen Family Finder:

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Hi, Reuven. My cousins are grandchildren of Roza Mermelstein and Leopold Deutsch of Repinne- they died in the Holocaust. It would be interesting to hear from you!

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Re: Klein family history

1. It's a good question, I don't remember my source. But I just look it up and found that that's what it says in a sefer about the family put out by Rav Aharon Shapiro, the Rav of Pardes Katz (near Bnei Brak). His email address is: pardes-katz <pardes-katz@neto.bezeqint.net> he's a big Talmid Chacham (and speaks English). He actually made a gathering last year on the Shenos Chaim's yahrzheit for female descendants of the Shenos Chaim. See Attached.

2. Remember, last names are newer invention. People did not have consistent last names that had to match their parents'. Leitzas is a last name derived from the name of a woman Leitza.

3. Who said the yichus to the Rema is from the Rav Yaakov HaLevi side of the Shenos Chaim's family? I don't think we can assume any of that.

Kol Tuv,

Reuven Chaim Klein

Beitar Illit, Israel

Author of: God versus Gods: Judaism in the Age of Idolatry (NEW!) & Lashon HaKodesh: History, Holiness, & Hebrew

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On Wed, Dec 12, 2018 at 11:37 PM A Davis <ahuva.klein@gmail.com> wrote:

Thank you very much, it was really helpful. My husband found a copy of the Shnos Chaim on Hebrewbooks.org so I was slowly making my way through it. 

I have three more quick questions. 

1) How do you know that Rav Yaakov Halevi was the father in law of Binyamin Eliezer Unger-Aurbach and not his maternal grandfather? 

2) I am a bit unclear, The Taz's last name was Segal and you said Rav Tzvi Hirsh was ben acher ben (so paternal grandson) of The Taz. Would that make Rav Tzvi Hirsh's (and then his son's) last name Segal? Which would make sense given they are Leviim. What is לייצא''ס?

3) I know it is unclear how the Shnos Chaim was a descendent of the Rema, but can we assume Rav Yaakov Halevi was a descendent of the Rema from his mother's side? Meaning Rav Tzvi Hirsch Halevi's wife was a descendent? 

On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 9:24 PM RC Klein <yeshivish@gmail.com> wrote:

Looking at my records, I found that I had corresponded with two Greenbergers related to the Shenos Chaim's wife: Chaim at chaimgreenberger@yahoo.com and Velvi at MarkWG@att.net

Those email addresses are from a long time ago, so I don't know if they still work, but you can try to contact them.

By the way, I once made this recording of myself reading and explaining the introduction to the 1985 edition of Shenos Chaim, you might find it helpful: https://drive.google.com/file/d/18VraMDiWceOcPSEGU5AVwSNFLW_12vQJ/view?usp=sharing

Kol Tuv,

Reuven Chaim Klein

Beitar Illit, Israel

Author of: God versus Gods: Judaism in the Age of Idolatry (NEW!) & Lashon HaKodesh: History, Holiness, & Hebrew

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On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 10:21 AM A Davis <ahuva.klein@gmail.com> wrote:

Thank you so much.

After I sent my initial email to you my cousin, Ushie Klein's daughter, told me that her father has spoken to you before. 

Would happen to know any more information about the greenberger chain in the family? I've looked on geni and tried many different searches but have come up with very little. I know Tzvi Dov Greenberger had a son Moishe. Do you know of any other Greenbergers? Or do you have contact information for any others? 

On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 9:28 PM RC Klein <yeshivish@gmail.com> wrote:

I've corresponded with many people from your family before. Somebody named Eliezer Klein, I think from Lakewood. Usher Klein from LA. Tanya Klein from somewhere. All those records are on my webpage, so you can search there. See for example: https://kleinfamilygenealogy.blogspot.com/search?q="moshe+ezriel" I would also suggest getting on www.Geni.com and making an account there. You g-grandfather's profile is: https://www.geni.com/people/Moshe-Ezriel-Klein/6000000009308695906

To answer your questions:

Yes the Snina Rav died in the war without any children.

Yes the Shenos Chaim himself adopted the last name KLEIN for the childless family that hosted him. Rav Kunstilichter <3446@okmail.co.il> who wrote the introduction to the 1985 edition of Shenos Chaim writes that the original name ws UNGAR-AUERBACH and he told me that all his information was from Mrs. Beinhorn a"h (who died last year).

I never heard of anything about the Shenos Chaim descending from the Noam Elimelech, and if there was such a rumor, I would have heard about it. I have a tradition from my father's cousin Max Steg that a different branch of my family is reputed to descendants of the Noam Elimelech, but not the Shenos Chaim branch.

Yes those two pictures are the before and after pictures of the Shenos Chaim's matzeivah (in Vienna).

How are we related? It goes like this, your great-great-grandfather, Rav Tzvi Dov Klein and my great-great-grandfather Binyamin Eliezer Klein were brothers. So we share a ggg-grandfather, so basically that means we are fourth-cousins.

I am attaching to this email a megillas yuchasin I wrote for the family, it's a big complicated to read, but once you get the hang of it, it's pretty cool stuff.

If you have any more questions, please don't hesitate to ask.

Kol Tuv,

Reuven Chaim Klein

Beitar Illit, Israel

Author of: God versus Gods: Judaism in the Age of Idolatry (NEW!) & Lashon HaKodesh: History, Holiness, & Hebrew

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On Sun, Dec 9, 2018 at 11:09 PM A Davis <ahuva.klein@gmail.com> wrote:

Thank you for responding! 

I know my great grandfathers brother was Reuven Chaim Klein (The Snina Rav), married to the daughter of Rav Shaya of Kestirer. As far as I know he was killed during the war. Is this correct? 

From what I know, his grandfather was Reuven Chaim Klein, the author of the Shnos Chaim and his last name was in fact Ungar-Aurbach but he changed it as a sign of hakaras hatov for the childless couple that hosted him in Pressburg. 

Do you have any history of the family before the Shnos Chaim? I have heard some rumors around my family about being descendant from the Noam Elimelech.  Unfortunately I was too young to ask my grandfather these questions before he passed away and my father and his siblings do not know much. 

I have attached two pictures I have found online, I am assuming they are the original and then the replaced matzevah of Rav Reuven Chaim, the Shnos Chaim? 

Just out of curiosity, how would we be related? 

On Sun, Dec 9, 2018 at 10:55 PM RC Klein <yeshivish@gmail.com> wrote:

Sure. What do you need?

Kol Tuv,

Reuven Chaim Klein

Beitar Illit, Israel

Author of: God versus Gods: Judaism in the Age of Idolatry (NEW!) & Lashon HaKodesh: History, Holiness, & Hebrew

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On Sun, Dec 9, 2018 at 10:54 PM A Davis <ahuva.klein@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,

My name is Ahuva (Klein) Davis. My great-grandfather was Moshe Ezriel Klein, a brother of Rav Reuven Chaim Klein (The Snina Rov) and a son of Tzvi Dov and Chaya Sara Klein. My grandfather was Schaja Klein. 
I am working on a family history book for my cousins and I came across a blog you were active on for some time. I was hoping you would be able to help me with some more information. 

I currently live in Ramat Beit Shemesh but email is the best way for me to communicate. 

Thank you,

Ahuva Davis

Re: השב: Horne Saliby

Thanks. What year did you leave Horne Saliby? Maybe you know my cousin Judy/Yitty/Yetush Steg, her last name was MESSINGER. Her mother KAYLA/KATRINA/Katti neni was my grandfather's sister (and her last name was also MESSINGER). There are also several Israeli MESSINGER families, but I'm not so familiar with them.

If you have any more information or can send me to more people, please let me know. Thanks.

Kol Tuv,

Reuven Chaim Klein

Beitar Illit, Israel

Author of: God versus Gods: Judaism in the Age of Idolatry (NEW!) & Lashon HaKodesh: History, Holiness, & Hebrew

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On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 9:52 PM Shaul Krakover <shaul@bgu.ac.il> wrote:

The names you have provided do no ring the bell.

My father's stepmother's name was קיילא חיה (Kornélia).

Attached please find several files with info about Sali.

A chapter from a book about Sali is attached.

I have a Hebrew translation. I could not find it at the moment.

 

 

From: RC Klein [mailto:yeshivish@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, December 9, 2018 9:48 PM
To: שאול קרקובר‏ <shaul@bgu.ac.il>
Subject: Re: השב: Horne Saliby

 

Who was your father's step-mother?

My mother Edit Messinger a"h came to USA around 1978, her older brothers Gyuri (Shaul) and Hezsky lived in Israel from earlier on and the moved to USA.

Anything else you could share with me about Horne Saliby?

Kol Tuv,

Reuven Chaim Klein

Beitar Illit, Israel

Author of: God versus Gods: Judaism in the Age of Idolatry (NEW!) & Lashon HaKodesh: History, Holiness, & Hebrew

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On Sun, Dec 9, 2018 at 9:41 PM Shaul Krakover <shaul@bgu.ac.il> wrote:

The Messinger's I know were the brothers of my father's stepmother.

They were nice, honest, Yere Shomaiim people. Two or three of them mad Aliya in the early statehood years.

The younger one made Aliyah later and then immigrated to the USA.

 

From: RC Klein [mailto:yeshivish@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, December 7, 2018 11:42 AM
To: שאול קרקובר‏ <shaul@bgu.ac.il>
Subject: Re: השב: Horne Saliby

 

In what way were they respected? Do you have any more information about the Jewish community at Horne Saliby, and about the Messinger family in particular?

Kol Tuv,

Reuven Chaim Klein

Beitar Illit, Israel

Author of: God versus Gods: Judaism in the Age of Idolatry (NEW!) & Lashon HaKodesh: History, Holiness, & Hebrew

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On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 11:29 AM Shaul Krakover <shaul@bgu.ac.il> wrote:

Messinger was a very respected family.

My grandfather's second wife was a Messinger.

She gave birth to 5 children, who could have been my aunts and uncles.

Unfortunately she and her children were murdered in the holocaust.

Shaul

 

 

 

 

From: RC Klein [mailto:yeshivish@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, December 7, 2018 8:36 AM
To: שאול קרקובר‏ <shaul@bgu.ac.il>
Subject: Re: השב: Horne Saliby

 

Messinger.

Kol Tuv,

Reuven Chaim Klein

Beitar Illit, Israel

Author of: God versus Gods: Judaism in the Age of Idolatry (NEW!) & Lashon HaKodesh: History, Holiness, & Hebrew

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On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 5:56 AM Shaul Krakover <shaul@bgu.ac.il> wrote:

Yes. I have some information. What was her family name before mariage?

Shaul

 

 

 

נשלח ממכשיר הSamsung שלי

-------- הודעה מקורית --------
מאת: RC Klein <yeshivish@gmail.com>
תאריך: 6.12.2018 22:25 (GMT+02:00)
אל: שאול קרקובר <shaul@bgu.ac.il>
נושא: Horne Saliby

Are you the same Shaul Krakover who is researching the Krakauer family from Horne Saliby? Do you have any more information about Horne Saliby? My mother a"h grew up there.

Kol Tuv,

Reuven Chaim Klein

Beitar Illit, Israel

Author of: God versus Gods: Judaism in the Age of Idolatry (NEW!) & Lashon HaKodesh: History, Holiness, & Hebrew

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Re: Klein family history

Looking at my records, I found that I had corresponded with two Greenbergers related to the Shenos Chaim's wife: Chaim at chaimgreenberger@yahoo.com and Velvi at MarkWG@att.net

Those email addresses are from a long time ago, so I don't know if they still work, but you can try to contact them.

By the way, I once made this recording of myself reading and explaining the introduction to the 1985 edition of Shenos Chaim, you might find it helpful: https://drive.google.com/file/d/18VraMDiWceOcPSEGU5AVwSNFLW_12vQJ/view?usp=sharing

Kol Tuv,

Reuven Chaim Klein

Beitar Illit, Israel

Author of: God versus Gods: Judaism in the Age of Idolatry (NEW!) & Lashon HaKodesh: History, Holiness, & Hebrew

ORCiD | LinkedIN | Google Scholar | Amazon

On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 10:21 AM A Davis <ahuva.klein@gmail.com> wrote:

Thank you so much.

After I sent my initial email to you my cousin, Ushie Klein's daughter, told me that her father has spoken to you before. 

Would happen to know any more information about the greenberger chain in the family? I've looked on geni and tried many different searches but have come up with very little. I know Tzvi Dov Greenberger had a son Moishe. Do you know of any other Greenbergers? Or do you have contact information for any others? 

On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 9:28 PM RC Klein <yeshivish@gmail.com> wrote:

I've corresponded with many people from your family before. Somebody named Eliezer Klein, I think from Lakewood. Usher Klein from LA. Tanya Klein from somewhere. All those records are on my webpage, so you can search there. See for example: https://kleinfamilygenealogy.blogspot.com/search?q="moshe+ezriel" I would also suggest getting on www.Geni.com and making an account there. You g-grandfather's profile is: https://www.geni.com/people/Moshe-Ezriel-Klein/6000000009308695906

To answer your questions:

Yes the Snina Rav died in the war without any children.

Yes the Shenos Chaim himself adopted the last name KLEIN for the childless family that hosted him. Rav Kunstilichter <3446@okmail.co.il> who wrote the introduction to the 1985 edition of Shenos Chaim writes that the original name ws UNGAR-AUERBACH and he told me that all his information was from Mrs. Beinhorn a"h (who died last year).

I never heard of anything about the Shenos Chaim descending from the Noam Elimelech, and if there was such a rumor, I would have heard about it. I have a tradition from my father's cousin Max Steg that a different branch of my family is reputed to descendants of the Noam Elimelech, but not the Shenos Chaim branch.

Yes those two pictures are the before and after pictures of the Shenos Chaim's matzeivah (in Vienna).

How are we related? It goes like this, your great-great-grandfather, Rav Tzvi Dov Klein and my great-great-grandfather Binyamin Eliezer Klein were brothers. So we share a ggg-grandfather, so basically that means we are fourth-cousins.

I am attaching to this email a megillas yuchasin I wrote for the family, it's a big complicated to read, but once you get the hang of it, it's pretty cool stuff.

If you have any more questions, please don't hesitate to ask.

Kol Tuv,

Reuven Chaim Klein

Beitar Illit, Israel

Author of: God versus Gods: Judaism in the Age of Idolatry (NEW!) & Lashon HaKodesh: History, Holiness, & Hebrew

ORCiD | LinkedIN | Google Scholar | Amazon

On Sun, Dec 9, 2018 at 11:09 PM A Davis <ahuva.klein@gmail.com> wrote:

Thank you for responding! 

I know my great grandfathers brother was Reuven Chaim Klein (The Snina Rav), married to the daughter of Rav Shaya of Kestirer. As far as I know he was killed during the war. Is this correct? 

From what I know, his grandfather was Reuven Chaim Klein, the author of the Shnos Chaim and his last name was in fact Ungar-Aurbach but he changed it as a sign of hakaras hatov for the childless couple that hosted him in Pressburg. 

Do you have any history of the family before the Shnos Chaim? I have heard some rumors around my family about being descendant from the Noam Elimelech.  Unfortunately I was too young to ask my grandfather these questions before he passed away and my father and his siblings do not know much. 

I have attached two pictures I have found online, I am assuming they are the original and then the replaced matzevah of Rav Reuven Chaim, the Shnos Chaim? 

Just out of curiosity, how would we be related? 

On Sun, Dec 9, 2018 at 10:55 PM RC Klein <yeshivish@gmail.com> wrote:

Sure. What do you need?

Kol Tuv,

Reuven Chaim Klein

Beitar Illit, Israel

Author of: God versus Gods: Judaism in the Age of Idolatry (NEW!) & Lashon HaKodesh: History, Holiness, & Hebrew

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On Sun, Dec 9, 2018 at 10:54 PM A Davis <ahuva.klein@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,

My name is Ahuva (Klein) Davis. My great-grandfather was Moshe Ezriel Klein, a brother of Rav Reuven Chaim Klein (The Snina Rov) and a son of Tzvi Dov and Chaya Sara Klein. My grandfather was Schaja Klein. 
I am working on a family history book for my cousins and I came across a blog you were active on for some time. I was hoping you would be able to help me with some more information. 

I currently live in Ramat Beit Shemesh but email is the best way for me to communicate. 

Thank you,

Ahuva Davis

Re: Tolcsva

By the way, Tolscva has nothing to do with Tallosh: see https://www.google.co.il/search?q=Tomášikovo%2C+Tallós&oq=Tomášikovo%2C+Tallós and https://www.google.co.il/search?safe=active&q=Tolcsva

Kol Tuv,

Reuven Chaim Klein

Beitar Illit, Israel

Author of: God versus Gods: Judaism in the Age of Idolatry (NEW!) & Lashon HaKodesh: History, Holiness, & Hebrew

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On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 9:37 PM RC Klein <yeshivish@gmail.com> wrote:

Which sefer? What I wrote to you yesterday was based on multiple seforim?

Kol Tuv,

Reuven Chaim Klein

Beitar Illit, Israel

Author of: God versus Gods: Judaism in the Age of Idolatry (NEW!) & Lashon HaKodesh: History, Holiness, & Hebrew

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On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 8:36 AM Madeleine Isenberg <madeleine.isenberg@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks, RC, very helpful.  Because he died in the Shoah I could get more details from Yad Vashem.

Does the same Sefer have anything about Nowy Targ in Poland? That's not far from Nowy Sacz.  When you have time, of course!

Todah Rabah,

Madeleine 

On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 12:55 PM RC Klein <yeshivish@gmail.com> wrote:

Okay, I'll do my best.

From what I have found, Rabbi Akiva Pinchas Kornitzer signed his name as the Av Beis Din of Tolcsva in letters he wrote that were published in the rabbinic journal HaNesher (vols. 10,11, and 12) which was published in Trnava in Hungary by Rabbi Avraham Yehuda Schwartz. These particular volumes appeared in the years 1942, 1943, and 1944. It seems that he was killed in the Holocaust, so he was the last Rav of the Tolcsva community.

In the 1912 edition of Rabbi Elazar Fleckels' work Olas Tamid,  Akiva Pinchas Kornitzer is listed as a donor towards the publication of that work, and the title given for him is that of an unmarried fellow (and he is described as being of the same hometown as the publisher of that work, which was published in Tolscva.

Rabbi Mordechai Winkler, Rav of Madd, has a responsum (Levushei Mordechai, Yoreh Deah 181) addressed to his student Akiva Pinchas Kornitzer on Thursday of Parshas Netzevim--Vayelech 5671 (see www.hebcal.com to figure the date) and there too he is addressed as a bachur, unmarried fellow.

Somebody with the name  Akiva Pinchas Kornitzer  also donated money for the publication of Yalkut Avraham in Munkacs in 1931. There his title matches that of a married fellow (Reb, as opposed to HaBachur), but his town is given as סערענטש.  In the 1932 edition of Rabbi Winkler's Levushei Mordehcai to Nedarim, Rabbi Akiva Pinchas Kornitzer is listed as a donor, and is already described as the Av Beis Din of Tolcsva.

Now I just found in Rav Pinchas Schwartz's work Shem HaGedolim MeEretz Hagar that  Rav Akiva Pinchas Kornitzer became rabbi of Tolsca in תרפ"ח which is 1928 and that his father's name was Yoav. 

The Sefer Kehilla of Madd says that  Rav Akiva Pinchas Kornitzer  was one of the people who eulogized Rabbi Winkler at his funeral.

See also the attached PDF.

I hope this helps. I wrote it quickly because I don't have so much time nowadays, but please don't hesitate to ask for clarifications.

Kol Tuv,

Reuven Chaim Klein

Beitar Illit, Israel

Author of: God versus Gods: Judaism in the Age of Idolatry (NEW!) & Lashon HaKodesh: History, Holiness, & Hebrew

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On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 9:10 PM Madeleine Isenberg <madeleine.isenberg@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Reuven Chaim Klein, 

Our paths cross again and hopefully we can help each other.  While looking for information on Rabbi Akiva Pinchas KORNITZER, ZTz"L, I came across this that you wrote:  http://kleinfamilygenealogy.blogspot.com/2013/09/the-town-of-tallosh-in-hungary.html

I do believe you really meant Tolcsva, and please check out the KehilaLinks site I created for Tolcsva, especially the "religious" tab. https://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/tolcsva/Tolcsva-Religious.html.

I would appreciate it if you could actually help me with Rabbi Akiva Pinchas KORNITZER, as to who his family was, and when he might have served in Tolcsva.

Strangely, I have just been processing a few photos I took of Har Hamenuchot, that included the matzeva of Rebbetzin Miriam Raizel EISENSTADT, who was the daughter of Rabbi Yosef Nechemia KORNITZER.

While I don't think we are related, it is interesting that you have similar family names.  My great-grandfather, Yosef (ben Yisrael) GOLDSTEIN married Miriam KOHN, daughter of Joachim (Chaim) KOHN and Rechel GOLDSTEIN.  I still don't know if her mother had been related to this husband.  Anyway, I thought I would throw that in.

Rabbi David JUNGREIS has been working with people to restore the cemetery in Tolcsva, and I know they need a lot of money for their work.

I look forward to hearing from you again.

Chag Urim Sameach!

Madeleine
madeleine.isenberg@gmail.com

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Madeleine
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