Re: The JewishGen Family Finder:

Thanks for the reply!

Kol Tuv,

Reuven Chaim Klein

Beitar Illit, Israel

Author of: God versus Gods: Judaism in the Age of Idolatry (NEW!) & Lashon HaKodesh: History, Holiness, & Hebrew

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On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 5:50 AM Jeremy Furchtgott <jeremyfurchtgott@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Reuven,

No, none of this sounds familiar...

All the best,

Jeremy

On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 6:19 AM Reuven Chaim Klein <JGJGFF@lyris.jewishgen.org> wrote:

From : Reuven Chaim Klein, (researcher code 106665) yeshivish@gmail.com

To : Jeremy Bernard Furchtgott, (researcher code 731911)

Subject : The JewishGen Family Finder:

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Hi there! I am looking for information about the Weiss family from Moragy. In particular, I have an ancestor Moshe (Mor) Weiss who was a Chazzan (in Bonyhad?) originally from Moragy. He married Rivkah (Regina) Galandauer. His daughter Deborah married Meir Kuttner (who lived in Bonyhad). Does any of this information match anything you have in records?

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Re: The JewishGen Family Finder:

Sorry, I don't think there's a connection. It doesn't match any information I have.

Kol Tuv,

Reuven Chaim Klein

Beitar Illit, Israel

Author of: God versus Gods: Judaism in the Age of Idolatry (NEW!) & Lashon HaKodesh: History, Holiness, & Hebrew

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On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 6:01 PM Aileen Alisson <JGJGFF@lyris.jewishgen.org> wrote:

From : Aileen Alisson, (researcher code 844148) Aileen.a@seznam.cz

To : Reuven Chaim Klein, (researcher code 106665)

Subject : The JewishGen Family Finder:

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Dear Mr Klein,
I am searxhing for parents of Izak Weiss (1907) born in Mukachevo, Solocin, Svalava to Jakub Klein and Frantiska Weiss. There were siblings called Hana, Andela, Cecilie, Wilhelm and Emanuel. Would you happen to know something about local families bearing such names in their history? Thank you!

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[ravsig] The Rabbi of Wolbrom's Daughter

I am sending you as an attachment the most up-to-date version of my research. You will see there that the Charna that married Binyamin Eliezer was not the father of the Shenos Chaim, but was a son of his. That son was the one who lived in Svalyava, not the father. AFAIK, the father lived in Krakow.

Also, could you give me more information about your comment in fn. 5 about Freedberg having a different surname for the Shenos Chaim's father?

Also, the years you wrote don't make sense: If Binyamin Eliezer was born in 1826, then his son RCK could not have been born in 1931. And also I don't see reason to think they both died in 1873, although that was the year RCK died.

Kesiva V'Chasimah Tovah,

Reuven Chaim Klein

Beitar Illit, Israel

Author of: God versus Gods: Judaism in the Age of Idolatry (NEW!) & Lashon HaKodesh: History, Holiness, & Hebrew

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On Wed, Sep 25, 2019 at 7:48 AM <roys18@aol.com> wrote:

Maybe this will help.

I have put together over 900 pages of descendents of Rabbi David Segal HaLevi  "Ta"Z"

I set the Ta"Z as generation T1 in my manuscript.

Alot of it may be from your research BUT I have 

Charna Segal married Rabbi Binyamin Eliezer Unger Auerbach

Chapter 5b –    Descendants of TaZ' (1586 – 1667) son -->  T2.6 Rabbi Shmuel's  (1645 - 1715) son –T3.2 R. David (1690 - 1760)

 

T3.2  Rabbi David   1690 - 1760

    T4.2  Rabbi Tzvi Hirsch Segal Stern 1767-1803 (Rabbi Tzvi Hirsch Lichtig HaLevi Stern) (called Reb Hershele Litzas) ABD Dambrava near Trani, which is where he is buried[1] [2] [3].  One tree has him marrying the daughter of Rabbi Mordechai 1530 Prague – 26 February 1612 Poznan (the Ba'al Halevushim) and her 1^st husband was Shmuel Sirkes (Jaffe-Singer) 1540-1612 BUT something appears wrong here.  The first husband would place her birth at c. 1550 but her marriage to Rabbi Tzvi Hirsch Segal Stern places her birth at c.1770 {over a 200 year difference}.  The marriage to Shmuel Sirkes does not seem possible, either this is the wrong person or a descendant of this woman?

      T5.1  Rabbi Yaakov Segal Litzas (Lebenheim) 1780-1818, ABD Wohlbrum, Polin, Rosh ABD Krakow[4]

         T6.1  Charna Segal married Rabbi Binyamin Eliezer Unger Auerbach[5] 1826 Cracow – 1873 Davidkof.  Lived in Svalyava

            T7.1  Rabbi Reuven Chaim Klein, Shenos Chaim[6] 1831 Mukacheve – 1873 Vienna

   married Miriam Greenberger daughter of Tzvi Dov Greenberger.  Rabbi Reuven Chaim Klein was the Chief Rabbi of Nove Davydkovo (Uj-Dávidháza), Ukraine. He also authored the work "Shenos Chaim" in 1871 Lemberg, a commentary to Rabbeinu Yerucham.

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[1] See Sefer Klilas Yofi page 131.

[2] Information for this branch was taken from Klein Family Genealogical Website, from an email written by Rabbi Tzvi Steinberg, Kahal Zera Avraham, Denver Colorado USA and also from www.geni.com

[3] Reuven Chaim Klein states that in Otzar HaChochma there is an additional generation and Tzvi Hirsch is the son of Rabbi Avrohom HaLevi Stern son of Rabbi David Stern son of Rabbi Shmuel Son of the TaZ

[4] Mentioned in Klilas Yofi (p.60)  and is also mentioned by the Chasam Sofer in Teshuos Chasam Sofer Chadashos, Yoreh Deah Siman 17.

[5] From an email 26 March 2004 written by Leslie Reich on www.Kleinfamilygenealogy.blogspot: "According to Chachmei Hungaria (by YY Cohen- Jerusalem 1997 p.356) R' Reuven Chaim son of Binyomin Eliezer was born in 1826 and died in Davidkof (spelling?) near Muncasz in 1873.  His family name had originally been Ungar or Auerbach but orphaned at an early age, adopted a new name.  Curiously, Freedberg's bibliographical dictionary has yet another surname for him.  (I suspect a copying error)."

[6] Also a descendent of the Rema

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From: Reuven Chaim Klein yeshivish@gmail.com <ravsig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
To: Rabbinic Genealogy SIG <ravsig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Sun, Sep 22, 2019 8:26 pm
Subject: [ravsig] The Rabbi of Wolbrom's Daughter

I am trying to figure out an excerpt from the Yizkor book about the

town of Wolbrom (near Krakow) in Poland in the section which discusses

the town's rabbi, my ancestor, Rabbi Yaakov HaLevi Segal. This excerpt

alludes to some sort of controversy over the rabbi's daughter Tovah

and the identity of her husband, but does not spell out what's going

on nor provide any citations for the controversy.

Does anybody know where I can find out more information about this?

The full page and the entire book can be accessed via the NY Public

Library's digital collections at this page:

https://digitalcollections.nypl.org/items/ae4699c0-28b3-0133-4114-58d385a7bbd0/book#page/176/

As far as I know, my gggg-grandfather Binyamin Eliezer UNGAR-AUERBACH

married a daughter of Rabbi Yaakov Segal, but I don't know her name or

anything else about him, except that his son was Rabbi Reuven Chaim

KLEIN who served as a rabbi in Davidkoff (near Muncasz), Hungary.

Thank you very much for your help.

Reuven Chaim Klein

Beitar Illit, Israel

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Re: Weisz of bodzasujlak

So I don't have enough information, but it doesn't look like a match so far.

Kol Tuv,

Reuven Chaim Klein

Beitar Illit, Israel

Author of: God versus Gods: Judaism in the Age of Idolatry (NEW!) & Lashon HaKodesh: History, Holiness, & Hebrew

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On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 11:55 PM Toivy kahan <toivykahan@gmail.com> wrote:

this is all i know of the weisz family

see attached

On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 1:52 PM RC Klein <yeshivish@gmail.com> wrote:

I don't know, do you have more information so I can see if it matches up? Devorah Kuttner's parents were Moshe Weisz and Rivka/Regina Galaundaur. Does that match up to anything you have?

Kol Tuv,

Reuven Chaim Klein

Beitar Illit, Israel

Author of: God versus Gods: Judaism in the Age of Idolatry (NEW!) & Lashon HaKodesh: History, Holiness, & Hebrew

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On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 8:40 PM Toivy kahan <toivykahan@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,

my name is Toivy Kahan,

i am a descendant from david and mindel weisz from bodzasujlak is this related to your family?

i saw on your website the name deborah kuttner born in ujvidek is it the same family?

bodzasujlak is today novosad

let me know 

Thanks in advance  

Re: Weisz of bodzasujlak

I don't know, do you have more information so I can see if it matches up? Devorah Kuttner's parents were Moshe Weisz and Rivka/Regina Galaundaur. Does that match up to anything you have?

Kol Tuv,

Reuven Chaim Klein

Beitar Illit, Israel

Author of: God versus Gods: Judaism in the Age of Idolatry (NEW!) & Lashon HaKodesh: History, Holiness, & Hebrew

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On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 8:40 PM Toivy kahan <toivykahan@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,

my name is Toivy Kahan,

i am a descendant from david and mindel weisz from bodzasujlak is this related to your family?

i saw on your website the name deborah kuttner born in ujvidek is it the same family?

bodzasujlak is today novosad

let me know 

Thanks in advance  

Re: Elimelech descendants

There are a few things fishy here. First of all, the Noam Elimelech lived from 1717-1787, so it's very hard to say that his brother would have a granddaughter who died in 1940. The Hebrew word in the tombstone נכדת literally means granddaughter, but in practice can be used colloquially to just mean "descendant". Second, I wasn't aware that Rabbi Elimelech of Lizhensk had a brother named Nathan Schupf. He famously had a brother named Reb Zushia of Anipoli. But then I looked on Geni.com and I found that  Rabbi Elimelech actually did have a brother named Noson, although his surname is given as Lipman, not Schupf. See  https://www.geni.com/people/R-Nusen-Lipman/5216866388820127404  you might want to pursue that avenue. Also, I tried looking up the name נתן שאפף on various platforms, and I couldn't find it mentioned anywhere, so he doesn't seem to have been such a famous person. You might want to get in touch with my friend from Los Angeles, Rabbi Elchanan Shoff <rabbishoff@gmail.com> who last name sounds very similar to Schupf, maybe he might have some insights.

Sorry I couldn't be of more help to your quest.

Kol Tuv,

Reuven Chaim Klein

Beitar Illit, Israel

Author of: God versus Gods: Judaism in the Age of Idolatry (NEW!) & Lashon HaKodesh: History, Holiness, & Hebrew

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On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 3:34 AM Cynthia Parr <cynthiaparr@verizon.net> wrote:

Attached is copy of tombstone

Thanks

Cynthia

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From: RC Klein <yeshivish@gmail.com>
To: Cynthia Parr <cynthiaparr@verizon.net>
Sent: Sat, Jul 27, 2019 1:26 pm
Subject: Re: Elimelech descendants

Do you have a picture of the tombstone that you can send me?

Kol Tuv,

Reuven Chaim Klein

Beitar Illit, Israel

Author of: God versus Gods: Judaism in the Age of Idolatry (NEW!) & Lashon HaKodesh: History, Holiness, & Hebrew

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On Sat, Jul 27, 2019 at 6:14 PM Cynthia Parr <cynthiaparr@verizon.net> wrote:

My great-grandmother's grave stone lists that she was the granddaughter (I think this means descendant because of) Nathan Schupf, the brother of Elimelech of Lyzanz. I am confused about the last name since I would think it should be Weisblum or Lipman. Does anyone know of any link to the Schupf family. My great-grandmother was Mindle Schupf.

Thanks

Cynthia Parr

Re: Relative?

Yes we are related. Yissocher Dov is not the same as Hersh Ber. Hersch Ber = Tzvi Dov. 

Hersch Ber/Tzvi Dov Klein of Munktach was the son of Reuven Chaim Klein author of Shenos Chaim, who was my ggg-grandfather. So basically, Hersch Ber's brother (Binyamin Eliezer) was my gg-grandfather.

Pretty cool. Small world, ain't it?

Kol Tuv,

Reuven Chaim Klein

Beitar Illit, Israel

Author of: God versus Gods: Judaism in the Age of Idolatry (NEW!) & Lashon HaKodesh: History, Holiness, & Hebrew

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On Thu, Jun 13, 2019 at 11:24 PM Elizabeth Bergman <ebergman@easternunion.com> wrote:

Hi,
I just started receiving your emails. Are you by any chance related to
Yissocher Dov (Hersh Ber) Klein from Munkatch?

Your name is a family name so was very curious.


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Re: The JewishGen Family Finder:

Hey Ari, I don't think it's the same Mermelstein family that I'm researching. Sorry.

Kol Tuv,

Reuven Chaim Klein

Beitar Illit, Israel

Author of: God versus Gods: Judaism in the Age of Idolatry (NEW!) & Lashon HaKodesh: History, Holiness, & Hebrew

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On Fri, May 3, 2019 at 10:04 PM Ari Dale <JGJGFF@lyris.jewishgen.org> wrote:

From : Ari Dale, (researcher code 109708) ari@zion.tc

To : Reuven Chaim Klein, (researcher code 106665)

Subject : The JewishGen Family Finder:

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Hi, Reuven. My cousins are grandchildren of Roza Mermelstein and Leopold Deutsch of Repinne- they died in the Holocaust. It would be interesting to hear from you!

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