Sunday, July 28, 2019

Re: Elimelech descendants

There are a few things fishy here. First of all, the Noam Elimelech lived from 1717-1787, so it's very hard to say that his brother would have a granddaughter who died in 1940. The Hebrew word in the tombstone נכדת literally means granddaughter, but in practice can be used colloquially to just mean "descendant". Second, I wasn't aware that Rabbi Elimelech of Lizhensk had a brother named Nathan Schupf. He famously had a brother named Reb Zushia of Anipoli. But then I looked on Geni.com and I found that  Rabbi Elimelech actually did have a brother named Noson, although his surname is given as Lipman, not Schupf. See  https://www.geni.com/people/R-Nusen-Lipman/5216866388820127404  you might want to pursue that avenue. Also, I tried looking up the name נתן שאפף on various platforms, and I couldn't find it mentioned anywhere, so he doesn't seem to have been such a famous person. You might want to get in touch with my friend from Los Angeles, Rabbi Elchanan Shoff <rabbishoff@gmail.com> who last name sounds very similar to Schupf, maybe he might have some insights.
Sorry I couldn't be of more help to your quest.

Kol Tuv,

Reuven Chaim Klein

Beitar Illit, Israel

Author of: God versus Gods: Judaism in the Age of Idolatry (NEW!) & Lashon HaKodesh: History, Holiness, & Hebrew

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On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 3:34 AM Cynthia Parr <cynthiaparr@verizon.net> wrote:
Attached is copy of tombstone
Thanks
Cynthia


-----Original Message-----
From: RC Klein <yeshivish@gmail.com>
To: Cynthia Parr <cynthiaparr@verizon.net>
Sent: Sat, Jul 27, 2019 1:26 pm
Subject: Re: Elimelech descendants

Do you have a picture of the tombstone that you can send me?
Kol Tuv,
Reuven Chaim Klein
Beitar Illit, Israel


On Sat, Jul 27, 2019 at 6:14 PM Cynthia Parr <cynthiaparr@verizon.net> wrote:
My great-grandmother's grave stone lists that she was the granddaughter (I think this means descendant because of) Nathan Schupf, the brother of Elimelech of Lyzanz. I am confused about the last name since I would think it should be Weisblum or Lipman. Does anyone know of any link to the Schupf family. My great-grandmother was Mindle Schupf.

Thanks
Cynthia Parr