Sincerely
Reuven Chaim Klein
Beitar Illit, Israel
Author of: God versus Gods & Lashon HaKodesh
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Dear Reuven Chaim Klein,
Yesterday I read the Hungarian edition of the book you mentioned, it helped me a lot to start to dig a bit deeper into the documents. Now I am about to listen to the audiovisual records of Leslie Blau and others.
I am trying to understand Jozsef's possible connection with my grandfather (Gősi János) who passed away a few years ago. He had cca the same age of József, lived in Tamási. His cousins around the same age were József's schoolmates in Bonyhád, as you may see. My grandfather attended elsewhere as far as I know, with very good marks.
This name Kuttner József is quite rare and on the basis of this book there were multiple opportunities when his life could interfere with my other ancestors', maybe in Szeged. It could be a friendship, a roomkeeper, charity help, neighborhood, something informal, a personal, everyday relationship, a simple human act. Our grandparents who survived those horrific times found it very important to tell us these micro-anecdotes, and we have already recorded some of them, revealed and supplemented with documents, but this time I really don't have any starting points.
I was trying to find the house the Kuttners lived in Bonyhád. I only found the ortodox elemental school, is it possible that they also lived in that building, as his father was the director of the school? Or did they have an own house somewhere else?
The book mentions that their parents Miksa (1897?) and Debora (1900?), one of them was from Újvidék (Novi Sad), but this is not clear for me, where the parents come from? I have not started to dig into the matriculas, do you have any information on this?
In Szeged, maybe József stayed in dorm (probably the Jewish had their own), or could he afford a room for rent? Maybe he could stay at a relative? Could he have any jobs besides the university? Teaching, translation, maybe at the MIEFHOE? Could he have any special interests, like arts, writing, musical instruments maybe?
Any of these could be a good start for me, and probably you have something in the raw manuscripts, pictures, letters, or some memories, any kind of artefacts. These kind of "unimportant" data could have been eliminated from the original collections. With time I may find the answer for some of these questions on my own, then I will let you know, but I would be grateful for any tiny trace of additional information your family may have for the side of ours on Jozsef's life.
If you need some more data for your review publication, please let me know, maybe I can help you again.
Sincerely,
Anikó Gősi
Feladó: RC Klein <yeshivish@gmail.com>
Elküldve: 2022. március 28., hétfő 20:46:06
Címzett: Gősi Anikó Kata; Larry Pfeffer
Tárgy: [Caution: Message contains Redirect URL content] Re: [Caution: Message contains Redirect URL content] Re: Fw: [Caution: Message contains Redirect URL content] RE: [Caution: Message contains Redirect URL content] FW: [Caution: Message contains Redirect ...Joszef Kuttner's sister, Roszi Kuttner (later Klein) was my grandmother. The Kuttner family lived in Bonyhad and had 6 children, 3 sisters who survived the war and eventually moved to America, plus two sons and one daughter who died. From what I understand, Joszef Kuttner returned home from university to be with his family and that's when he was killed.My great-uncle Leslie (Laszlo) Blau wrote a book about Bonyhad in English in 1994 that was translated into Hungarian in 2008. I helped work on a Hebrew version of the book in 2010, and now we're relooking at the Hebrew version to prepare it for more serious publication. What else would you like to know?Sincerely,
Reuven Chaim Klein
Beitar Illit, Israel
Author of: God versus Gods & Lashon HaKodesh
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On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 9:33 PM Gősi Anikó Kata <gosi.aniko.kata@szte.hu> wrote:
Dear Reuven Chaim Klein,
My name is Anikó Gősi, from University of Szeged.Here you can find an open-access instance of the resource behind the subscription-based database (Arcanum):On this site you may find documents of other years, where József Kuttner is mentioned multiple times.
While doing this research, his name seemed quite familiar to me, and there is a chance that his life story has some connection with my familiy, living in Bonyhád or Szeged. Can you tell me anything about the Kuttner's place of living in Bonyhád? Or his address in Szeged?
I was trying to look for some traces of József here in Szeged. I used to work at the university library for a few years but I have very limited experience on iudaica archives and data sources, I have few results yet.University students had a kosher mensa with a strong local community of the young, this still can have some relevant documents, it is even possible that someone had some memories on him."A zsidó menza a MIEFHOE, azaz a Magyar Izraelita Egyetemi és Főiskolai Hallgatók Országos Egyesületének a székházában, a Kárász utca 6. szám alatti épület 2. emeletén működött. "
Please let me know if I may help you with more, and I would be grateful if you shared some info with me, too.
Sincerely,
Anikó Gősi
Feladó: RC Klein <yeshivish@gmail.com>
Elküldve: 2022. március 28., hétfő 13:48:35
Címzett: University of Szeged
Másolatot kap: gosi.aniko@rekt.szte.hu
Tárgy: [Caution: Message contains Redirect URL content] Re: Fw: [Caution: Message contains Redirect URL content] RE: [Caution: Message contains Redirect URL content] FW: [Caution: Message contains Redirect URL content] Re: [Caution: Message contains Redirect ...Thank you very much. One small request, I wasn't able to access the first link you sent me because they require signing in/registration. Can you send me those documents as a PDF?Sincerely,
Reuven Chaim Klein
Beitar Illit, Israel
Author of: God versus Gods & Lashon HaKodesh
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On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 10:59 AM University of Szeged <international@szte.hu> wrote:
Dear Reuven Chaim Klein,
My colleague from the Strategic Directorate Anikó Gősi has managed to collect information on your grandmother's brother. Although we all know about this horrific period of our history it is always heart breaking to pass information.
He was born in 1922. He lived in Bonyhád and studied at the Lutheran High School, with excellent results:
Here you will find an image about him, taken by his friend and some information about in the About the Photo section in English
https://web.archive.org/web/20201110170750/https://collections.ushmm.org/search/catalog/pa1162086
http://univ.bibl.u-szeged.hu/59256/1/apitf_evkonyv_1944.pdf (page 97-98. )
http://univ.bibl.u-szeged.hu/16289/1/evkonyv_1942_43.pdf (page 71.)
He was a diligent and hardworking students who often took extra courses. Once his transcripts got lost:
https://books.google.hu/books?id=r7AOCAAAQBAJ&q=Kuttner&hl=hu&source=gbs_word_cloud_r&cad=4#v=snippet&q=Kuttner%20j%C3%B3zsef&f=false
The book is available in English too.
Let us know if we can further assist you.
Regards,
Emilia Szörényi
Office for International Admissions
From: Gősi Anikó Kata
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2022 12:03 PM
To: Gősi Anikó Kata; Schwimmer-Tóth Tímea; University of Szeged; Gősi Anikó
Cc: Vajda Tamás
Subject: RE: [Caution: Message contains Redirect URL content] RE: [Caution: Message contains Redirect URL content] FW: [Caution: Message contains Redirect URL content] Re: [Caution: Message contains Redirect URL content] Information about Jozsef Kuttner [Caution:Sziasztok,
összeszedtem egybe, amiket küldtem.
szerintem ő lesz az:
1922-ben született, bonyhádi volt, az evangélikusokhoz járt, csupa kitűnő:
itt egy kép róla, amit egy barátja készített, és némi infó a testvéreiről:
https://web.archive.org/web/20201110170750/https://collections.ushmm.org/search/catalog/pa1162086
1942-ben kezdett Szegeden, magyar irodalom szakos tanárnak az Állami Polgári Iskolai Tanárképző Főiskolán:
http://univ.bibl.u-szeged.hu/59256/1/apitf_evkonyv_1944.pdf (97-98. oldal)
http://univ.bibl.u-szeged.hu/16289/1/evkonyv_1942_43.pdf (71. oldal)
szorgalmas volt, extra tárgyakat vett fel, egyszer nem volt meg az indexe:
„Kuttner József, aki kitűnő tanulóként tanulmányait Szegeden, az egyetemen folytatta. Azonban 1944 nyarán hazalátogatott Bonyhádra, és miután látta, hogy nincs férfi a családdal (apja és testvére munka- szolgálatosok), nem ment vissza az egyetemre. Auschwitzba került, és ott pusztult el"
(168. oldalon 3. kép)
A könyv angolul is létezik
Az Egyetemi Gyűjteményben talán tudnak többet segíteni (az angollal nem tudom, hogy állnak), de még én is szétnézek még egy kicsit, hátha találni róla valami érdekeset
http://www.ek.szte.hu/english-university-collection/?lang=en
Üdv,
Anikó
From: RC Klein <yeshivish@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2022 1:09 PM
To: University of Szeged <international@szte.hu>
Subject: [Caution: Message contains Redirect URL content] Re: [Caution: Message contains Redirect URL content] Information about Jozsef Kuttner [Caution: Message contains Suspicious URL content] [Caution: Message contains Suspicious URL content]
I don't have that information, I wish I knew. He left the University in 1944 and from what I understand he was killed later that year.
Sincerely,
Reuven Chaim Klein
Beitar Illit, Israel
Author of: God versus Gods & Lashon HaKodesh
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On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 3:05 PM University of Szeged <international@szte.hu> wrote:
Dear Reuven Chaim Klein,
Since central and digital databases have been working at the University for a couple of decades, I am afraid we will need more information on your grandmother's brother.
Can you please provide us more details: what did he study?
Thank you in advance for your understanding.
Regards,
Emilia
SZÖRÉNYI Emília
Office for International Admission
University of Szeged
The best Hungarian university on Quacquarelli Symonds (QS) World University list since 2012
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From: RC Klein <yeshivish@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2022 12:04 PM
To: international@rekt.szte.hu
Subject: [Caution: Message contains Redirect URL content] Information about Jozsef Kuttner [Caution: Message contains Suspicious URL content]
I am looking for information about my grandmother's brother Jozsef Kuttner who was a student at the University of Szeged during World War II. Can you put me in touch with the relevant archivist or historians associated with the University who might be able to send me any relevant information and/or documents about my grandmother's brother?
Sincerely,
Reuven Chaim Klein
Beitar Illit, Israel
Author of: God versus Gods & Lashon HaKodesh
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