Klein Family Genealogical Webpage - יוחסין של משפחת קליין

Reuven Chaim Klein · at 11/25/2010 10:45:00 PM

Please see http://kleinfamilygenealogy.blogspot.com/ for the family tree.

By the way, I am getting married in two months and I am printing a Kuntress for my Chasuna. I was thinking that I should send you a copy of the Kuntress because you sent me copies of two kuntressim which you printed for your simchos. Is your address still 15 Darenth Road, London N.16 6 EP England?

By the way, do you know any information about more kesavim of the Shenos Chaim which were never published besides those on the first nesivos of Rabbeinu Yerucham?

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Reuven Chaim Klein
Genealogical Researcher
JewishGen ID #106665

--- On Thu, 11/18/10, Abraham Klein <ak@ksh.org.uk> wrote:

From: Abraham Klein <ak@ksh.org.uk>
Subject:
To: "R.C. Klein" <rachack@futurecities.com>
Date: Thursday, November 18, 2010, 7:57 AM

Please send me the tree of the Klein family Munkatch

Yours sincerely

Avrohom Moshe Yoseph Klein

Reuven Chaim Klein · at 11/05/2010 11:58:00 AM

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Yossi Klein <kleinyossi@yahoo.com>
Date: Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 4:33 PM
Subject: Another Reuven Chaim Klein
To: Rudy Klein <yeshivish@gmail.com>, Michael Klein <mikeklein18@gmail.com>
Cc: Les Barany <LesBarany@aol.com>, Szori and Laci Blau <lacisari11@verizon.net>

There's an article in Mishpacha Magazine about Reuven Chaim Klein, my father's 2nd cousin in the 9/15/2010 issue. Here's the first page of the article:

http://www.mishpacha.com/getPdf/1/326/26/1/

I have one copy of the magazine, but I've asked people in Bet Shemesh that if they have it and don't need it, I'd take it from them. We'll see how many copies I get.

Obviously, I'll bring them with me when I come in.

Love,
Yossi

Reuven Chaim Klein · at 9/27/2010 01:52:00 PM

TITLE: re: My grandfather worked for the agency
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 2/23/2005 07:55:00 AM

From: DanielleP@jazo.org.il [mailto:DanielleP@jazo.org.il]
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 7:55 AM
To: rachack@futurecities.com
Subject: RE: My grandfather worked for the Agency

Dear Mr. Klein,

After receiving your letter concerning finding information about your late Grandfather, Mr. Reuven Chaim Klein, we asked the Zionist Archives to attempt and find any relevant information.

They searched through the Genealogical data resources and unfortunately did not come up with relevant information. However, since you mentioned that he was active in the Vienna office, there may be information in the hundreds of files documenting the activity of the office at the said period of time. Searching through this material would require dozens of hours and even if researched through, there is still no guarantee that material will be found.

If you do wish to pursue this option and provide a researcher on your behalf, you may contact Ms. Batia Leshem at the Zionist Archives for guidance and consultation at: batial@jazo.org.il

We wish you success and regret that we cannot do more.

Sincerely,

Danielle

-------- 2/23/2005 07:55:00 AM

TITLE: RE: (no subject)
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 2/19/2005 10:41:00 AM

From: chaim greenberger [mailto:chaimgreenberger@yahoo.com]
Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 10:41 AM
To: R.C. Klein
Subject: RE:

dear reuven chaim

gut voch !
here in eretz isroel it is already motzei shabbes.

i sent you my family file it is on ged com. it also
includes other parts of my family ,so go to index and
write reuven chaim klien ,there are five ,one is
probably you. the first one is the shnos chaim.
would you be able to give me the e-mail of w
greenberger ?

there were mermelstin also from strebisho-gronda

have you read the book "beyond the tracks" by ruth
mermelstien nee grunberger ? her husbands family is
from strebichov and she is from munkach.

gut voch
chaim greenberger

it would be nice to see your family tree

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http://mail.yahoo.com -------- 2/19/2005 10:41:00 AM

TITLE: (no subject)
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 2/16/2005 10:57:00 AM

From: chaim greenberger [mailto:chaimgreenberger@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 10:57 AM
To: rachack@futurecities.com
Subject:

to reuven chaim klein please contact me ,i have a big
family tree that
i worked on ,you heard about me some time ago from
suri beinhorn ,i am
a cousin throu miriam the wife of harav reuven chaim
klien ,her brother was moishe ben tzvi dov
greenberger,my great great grandfather
i have the information on dorotree

by the way ,who is mark w greenberger that has sent
you a letter? in he a son of velvi ?
kol toov
chaim greenberger -------- 2/16/2005 10:57:00 AM

TITLE: re: My grandfther worked for the agency
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 2/14/2005 06:15:00 AM

From: sarite@jazo.org.il [mailto:sarite@jazo.org.il]
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 6:15 AM
To: rachack@futurecities.com
Cc: sarite@jazo.org.il; moshev@jazo.org.il; JoshS@jazo.org.il; AlanH@jazo.org.il; casuja@aol.com; MarkI@jazo.org.il; JeffK@jazo.org.il; Lapide@jazo.org.il; AsafS@jazo.org.il; Ayelets@jazo.org.il; RhodaS@jazo.org.il; dubibergman@jazouk.org; menachemr@jazo.org.il; yehudaw@jazo.org.il; rocheller@jazo.org.il
Subject: RE: My grandfather worked for the Agency

Dear Mr. Klein,

Thank you for writing to Mr. Sallai Meridor, Chairman of the Executive, concerning your late grandfather, Mr. Reuven Chaim Adler.

Your request has been forwarded for the care of the Zionist Archives who will contact you directly concerning any findings they may have.

We wish you luck in your search and please contact us again if you have any further questions.

Sincerely,

Danielle Mor

-----Original Message-----
From: R.C. Klein [mailto:rachack@futurecities.com]
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 12:47 AM
To: casuja@aol.com; sarite@jazo.org.il; Moshev@jazo.org.il; joshs@jazo.org.il; alanh@jazo.org.il; marki@jazo.org.il; jeffk@jazo.org.il; lapide@jazo.org.il; asafs@jazo.org.il; ayelets@jazo.org.il; rhodas@jazo.org.il; dubibergman@jazouk.org; menachemr@jazo.org.il; yehudaw@jazo.org.il
Subject: My grandfather worked for the Agency

To whom this may concern:

My late grandfather was a worker for the former Jewish Agency for Palestine. His name was Reuven Chaim Klein, or as he was known to the secular world, Rudolph (or Randolph) Klein. Attached to this letter, in PDF format, is an article printed in the New York Times (June 23, 1941) about my grandfather. It tells that he was released from jail under Nazi command because his services were needed by the Jewish Agency for Palestine in Vienna. He then served in the British and American armies during World War Two. The article makes mention of a brother of his who fought in the British army in then-Palestine. It isn't known who this is a reference to, perhaps the Agency knows of my grandfather's family and who this brother of his was and anything about his family. My grandfather passed away in 1968 when my father was a mere child. I would like to ask if the Jewish Agency for Israel, the successor to the Jewish Agency for Palestine, has any records regarding my grandfatherâ€™s employment for the Agency and/or anything else that might relate to my grandfather such as his personal history, the exact nature of his â€œmissionâ€ for the Agency in Austria (or at least a general idea of what he did), or anything that just has my grandfatherâ€™s name in it. I would like to please request from the Agency to pass along copies of any such records or information to me either via email or postal mail. My postal address can be given upon request and confirmation of the existence of such information about my grandfather. If the Agency or the person who reads this letter does not have access to such information or records, can he or she please pass or forward this letter on to someone of such power and/or refer me to such a person or resource? I would really like to understand more about that period of time and about who my namesake and grandfather was and what he did.

Thank you in advance for your help,
Reuven Chaim Klein (III)
of Kleinâ€™s Homepage

-------- 2/14/2005 06:15:00 AM

TITLE: My Grandfather worked for the Agency
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 2/14/2005 02:27:00 AM

From: Howard Palmer [mailto:howardp@jafi.org.uk]
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 2:27 AM
To: 'rachack@futurecities.com'
Cc: Sharon Goldberg
Subject: RE: My grandfather worked for the Agency

Dear Mr Klein,

Your email concerning your grandfather has been passed to me by my colleague, Sharon Goldberg. Unfortunately, the information you requested is not something that we would normally retain in our London Office.

However, as you may be aware, the Head Office of the Jewish Agency for Israel is located in Jerusalem, Israel and it would be there that any information may reside. The offices can be contacted via their web site www.jafi.org.il or by post to their offices at:

The Jewish Agency for Israel

48 King George Street, POB 92, Jerusalem 91000 Israel

In terms of historical data, much of the history of the Jewish Agency is maintained at the Central Zionist Archive (CZA) in Jerusalem and it may well be that they are better placed to assist you in your search. The CZA has its own website which can be accessed at http://www.zionistarchives.org.il/ZA/pMainE.aspx and the site includes specific information and access points for relatives who wish to access the range of resources, held at the CZA.

I would have thought that the CZA would be your most reliable source of information relating to your grandfather but, should they not be able to assist, an enquiry through to the Jewish Agency's main Offices may yield some information.

I trust that the above is of help and I wish you every success in your endeavours.

Yours sincerely,

Howard Palmer

Director - London Treasury

The Jewish Agency for Israel

Balfour House, 741 High Road, Finchley, London, N12 0BQ.

Email: howardp@jafi.org.uk

Tel: + 44 (0) 20 8369 5200

Fax: +44 (0) 20 8369 5201

-----Original Message-----
From: R.C. Klein [mailto:rachack@futurecities.com]
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 11:19 PM
To: sharong@jafi.org.uk
Subject: My grandfather worked for the Agency

To whom this may concern:

My late grandfather was a worker for the former Jewish Agency for Palestine. His name was Reuven Chaim Klein, or as he was known to the secular world, Rudolph (or Randolph) Klein. Attached to this letter, in PDF format, is an article printed in the New York Times (June 23, 1941) about my grandfather. It tells that he was released from jail under Nazi command because his services were needed by the Jewish Agency for Palestine in Vienna. He then served in the British and American armies during World War Two. The article makes mention of a brother of his who fought in the British army in then-Palestine. It isn't known who this is a reference to, perhaps the Agency knows of my grandfather's family and who this brother of his was and anything about his family. My grandfather passed away in 1968 when my father was a mere child. I would like to ask if the Jewish Agency for Israel, the successor to the Jewish Agency for Palestine, has any records regarding my grandfather's employment for the Agency and/or anything else that might relate to my grandfather such as his personal history, the exact nature of his "mission" for the Agency in Austria (or at least a general idea of what he did), or anything that just has my grandfather's name in it. I would like to please request from the Agency to pass along copies of any such records or information to me either via email or postal mail. My postal address can be given upon request and confirmation of the existence of such information about my grandfather. If the Agency or the person who reads this letter does not have access to such information or records, can he or she please pass or forward this letter on to someone of such power and/or refer me to such a person or resource? I would really like to understand more about that period of time and about who my namesake and grandfather was and what he did.

Thank you in advance for your help,

Reuven Chaim Klein (III)
of Klein's Homepage

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TITLE: Correction
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 1/28/2005 11:31:00 AM

From: Spielman, Chaim, ALABS
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 11:31 AM
To: R.C. Klein
Subject: RE:

Just spoke to my father.
* Here is a correction to what I said earlier. The Shenos Chaim had a son Benyomin Eliezer. In addition to his son Moredechai (by the way, my father said that he was an artist), he had a daughter Zesul. Zesul had a daughter Hinda. She was my grandmother. That makes my grandmother and your grandfather first-cousins.
* My father confirmed that he has the Yechus back very far for the Shenos Chaim. I will get it from him and share it with you.
* He said that if you visit New York he would appreciate it if you stop by. -------- 1/28/2005 11:31:00 AM

TITLE: RE: (no subject)
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 1/24/2005 07:46:00 AM

From: Spielman, Chaim, ALABS [mailto:cspielman(at)att.com]
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 7:46 AM
To: R.C. Klein
Subject: RE:

Nope. (He is over 80, AMVS). Do you speak Yiddish? At any rate, you can call me.
Regards,

-----Original Message-----
From: R.C. Klein [mailto:rachack@futurecities.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 12:00 AM
To: Spielman, Chaim, ALABS
Subject: RE:

Does he have an email address?

=====
Reuven Chaim Klein
President of Kleins' Web Designs
AIM/AOL Screename: IAmRachack (Add|IM)
MSN Passport/email: Rachack@futurecities.com and Anakin9000@yahoo.com
Websites:
http://Kleins.100megsfree5.com
http://Rachack.tripod.com
http://www.myhomeloancompany.com
http://rachack.blogspot.com

(Attention: I am in Yeshiva during the week and I can only check me email on
Friday Afternoon and Motzei Shabbos, so please be aware of this.)

Surnames being researched:
In Munkatch(Mukachevo) and its surrounding areas(especially a village called
Kleczanev or Klyachanovo ):
ECKSTEIN, FREIDMAN, KLEIN, MERMELSTEIN, UNGAR-AUERBACH
In Bonyhad, a village in Hungary: KUTTNER
From anywhere: ISSERLES, WEISSBLUM, SIRKES

-----Original Message-----
From: Spielman, Chaim, ALABS [mailto:cspielman(at)att.com]
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 6:43 AM
To: rachack@futurecities.com
Subject: RE:

My father is probably the person you want to talk to, but I will be glad to
see how I can be of help and facilitate if necessary.
Regards,

-----Original Message-----
From: kleinboys [mailto:kleinboys@sbcglobal.net]
Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 1:39 AM
To: Spielman, Chaim, ALABS
Subject: RE:

I want to talk to you more about this stuff, but I'm so busy with finals in
school and everything. IY"H I will have vacation in about one and a half
weeks and we can discuss this further.

Gut Voch,

=====
Reuven Chaim Klein
President of Kleins' Web Designs
AIM/AOL Screename: IAmRachack (Add|IM)
MSN Passport/email: Rachack@futurecities.com and Anakin9000@yahoo.com
Websites:
http://Kleins.100megsfree5.com
http://Rachack.tripod.com
http://www.myhomeloancompany.com
http://rachack.blogspot.com

(Attention: I am in Yeshiva during the week and I can only check me email on
Friday Afternoon and Motzei Shabbos, so please be aware of this.)

Surnames being researched:
In Munkatch(Mukachevo) and its surrounding areas(especially a village called
Kleczanev or Klyachanovo ):
ECKSTEIN, FREIDMAN, KLEIN, MERMELSTEIN, UNGAR-AUERBACH
In Bonyhad, a village in Hungary: KUTTNER
From anywhere: ISSERLES, WEISSBLUM, SIRKES

-----Original Message-----
From: Spielman, Chaim, ALABS [mailto:cspielman(at)att.com]
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 10:14 AM
To: rachack@futurecities.com
Subject:

I stumbled on your web page when looking for some personal related web
links, very nice. I noticed quite a few names that I recognize. Closer
relatives and the one name that I recognize that's closest to you is Feigile
Shteg. She had the bungalow colony in Monticello, right?

Regards, -------- 1/24/2005 07:46:00 AM

TITLE: Help
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 1/22/2005 09:26:00 PM

Frequently Asked Questions

1) Q: What does these abbreviations on your site mean? A"H, ZT"L, Z"L, B"H, IY"H, B"N SHLIT"A HY"D ZY"A

A: They are abbreviations of varoius Jewish phrases like so:

A"H means Alov HaShalom (may he rest in peace) or Aleha Shalom (may she rest in peace)

ZT"L mean Zecher Tzadik L'Vracha (remember the righteous for a blessing)

Z"L mean Zecher L'Vracha (remember for a blessing)

B"H means Baruch HaShem (bless HaShem(G-d))

IY"H mean Im Yezter HaShem (if G-d wills so)

B"N mean Bli Neder (without promise)

SHLIT"A means Sheyichye L'orech Yamim Tovim Aruchim (will live many long and good days)

HY"D means HaShem Yinakem Dumuv (HaShem should avenge his blood)

ZY"A means Zechuso Yagen Alenu (his merits should protect us)

2) Q: Where do you get your information from?

A: If not explicitly stated, I usually get my information from a website in my links section or from a primary source which are all documented in my pictures section. Usually in the news section email addresses are recorded.

3) Q: I think I might be related to you or I might have some information for you.

A: That's great! Please email me at Rachack_DELETE_THIS_PART_FOR_SPAMMERS_@futurecities.com

4) Q: How do I search this site?

A: We made a deal with picosearch.com to have our own search engine for this site including the news articles and famiy tree:

About Me

1) Q: What does Rachack mean? I have seen it as your email address, screename, nickname, username all over the place! Is it some bizaare word that you made up?

A: Rachack is the acornym of my hebrew transliterated

2) Q: Huh?

A: My hebrew name is Reuven Chaim Klein, or ×¨××•×'×Ÿ ×—×™×™× ×§×œ×™×™×Ÿ. If you take the first letter of each word, then you get ×¨×—"×§ which, if you try to sound out, sounds like Rachack. That simple, huh?

3) Q: Hey, I think I know you from somewhere. Where?

A: In my life I've done many things. If you know me from the Internet, then you probably know me from UCIP, Jewish Teen Zone, IRC, KDFS, EWE, e2-o, WWO, USC, FrumTeens, JewishHigh, J4J, FWG, or some other website.

4) Q: Hey, I think I remember you from along time ago. What did your email address used to be?

A: I get many questions like that, so here is a list of all the email addresses that I've ever had:

Kleinboys@juno.com

WcWxJedi@juno.com

Anakin9000@juno.com

Anakin9000@yahoo .com

Kleinboys@aol.com

Anakin9000@aol.com

Kleinboys@earthlink.net

WarSnorLaxMon@aol.com

Corran87Horn@yahoo.com

FleetAdmiralDax@hotmail.com

DeathKnight20002@yahoo.com

Alleria20002@yahoo.com

Deadmanwf20002@yahoo.com

1807@subspace. ucip.org

2626@subspace. ucip.org

2598@subspace. ucip.org

Rachack@ucip.future-gate.net

TheRachack@aol.com

Rachack@klingonempire.net

Rachack@futurecities. com -------- 1/22/2005 09:26:00 PM

TITLE: Yarzheit.com
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 1/2/2005 05:29:29 PM

Yarzheit.com
Tonight, the 22nd of Teves is the Yarzheit of my great-great-great-grandfather HaRav HaGaon Reuven Chaim Klein ZTVK"L, the author of the sefer Shenos Chaim which is a pirush on Rabbenu Yerucham's sefer Toldos Adom V'Chava. His neshama should have an aliyah in shomayim. -------- 1/2/2005 05:29:29 PM

TITLE: Extended Family
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 1/1/2005 08:22:04 PM

UNDER CONSTRUCTION
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TITLE: Family History
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 1/1/2005 08:20:15 PM

Family History- Reuven Chaim Klein
Family History- TaZ
Family History- Rama

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TITLE: Noam Elimelech
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 12/25/2004 07:47:00 AM

From: Asher Bar-Zev [mailto:barzev@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Saturday, December 25, 2004 7:46 PM
To: Rabbinic Genealogy SIG
Cc: moishe@langsam.com; rachack@futurecities.com
Subject: Noam Elimelech

Moshe Miller wrote:

I am only aware of an ECKSTEIN connection to the Noam Elimelch via
Pesach LANGSAM (c.1748 - c.1820). He was a nephew of the Noam
Elimelech. His mother-in-law was a sister to the Noam Elimelech.
He was also the father of the Bnei Yissoschur, R' Hersh Mylech SPIRA
(1783 - 1841).

Pesach LANGSAM had a daughter that married an ECKSTEIN. More info
on this family can be found at my website at: http://www.langsam.com

The specific page within the site that deals with ECKSTEIN is at:
http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/eckstein/eckstein.htm

However,

Pesach Lansam was a nephew BY MARRIAGE of the Noam Elimelech. He was married to Ita, who was the daughter of the sister of the Rebbe Elimelech of Lezajsk.

His illustrious descendents in the 20th century included Rabbi Wolfe Kelman of the Rabincial Assembly and yibadel leh.ayim Rabbi Arthur Hertzberg.

Asher Bar-Zev

-------- 12/25/2004 07:47:00 AM

TITLE: Links
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 12/24/2004 01:38:34 PM

Link Exchange Sites:	My hand-picked set of favorite websites:
Heaven's Register Famous Rabbis Famous Rebbes Pirkei Avos- Teaching of the Wise Sages Sefer Gilgulim- the Book of Reincarnation Raziel Hamalech Kemaya- Ancient Jewish Amulets Sefer Shinuyim- The book of change	JewishGen: The Home of Jewish Genealogy Beis Midrash Toras HaShem Jewish Destiny Yarzheit.Com The Jewish Observer Frum Teens Jews For Judaism Forums My Home Loan Company

If you want your site listed on here as well, please send me an email Rachack_DELETE_THIS_PART_FOR_SPAMMERS_@futurecities.com

-------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:Anonymous COMMENT-DATE:9:20 AM COMMENT-BODY:I just came across this. It's quite interesting. I noticed my father's and grandfather's names on your page and am aware of the Shnos Chaim. My grandmother's mother's maiden name was Klein.
regards,
Chaim Spielman
chaimspielman@yahoo.com -------- 12/24/2004 01:38:34 PM

TITLE: Family History- Reuven Chaim Klein
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 12/24/2004 01:37:10 PM

Rabbi Reuven Chaim Klein, a famed descendant of both the Rama
and the Taz, was born in 1826 in Cracow to Binyamin Eliezer
Ungar-Auerbach. After becoming an orphan at a young age, he changed his
last name to "Klein." He studied in the yeshiva of the Chatam Sofer in
Pressburg and in the yeshiva of the Gaon Rabbi Meir Aish, the author of
the Imrei Aish. He was the Av Beis Din (head of Rabbinical Court) in
Davidoff near Munkatch. He died and was buried in Vienna in 1873. He
wrote a sefer entitled Shenos Chaim (literally, "Years of Life") which is a commentary on the 14th century Talmudist Rabbenu Yerucham's work Toldos Adom V'Chava (literally, "The Progeny of Adam and Eve"). The Chida (Chaim Yosef Dovid Azuli) writes in his book Shem HaGedolim
(literally, "Names of Great Ones") that all people who wrote a
commentary on Rabbenu Yerucham's sefer (book) died an early death.
Rabbi Reuven Chaim was of no exception as is affirmed by Rabbi Elazar
Gartenhaus is his commentary to the Chida.

-------- 12/24/2004 01:37:10 PM

TITLE: Family History- TaZ
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 12/24/2004 01:36:25 PM

Rabbi Dovid ben Shmuel HaLevi (1586-1667) is famous for his commentary on the Shulchan Aruch known as the Turei Zahav (literally, "Rows of Gold"). He is called by the acronym of this work, Taz. He also wroteDivrei Dovid
(literally, "The words of David") on Rashi's famous commentary on the
Torah. As the fabled son-in-law of the Bach (Rabbi Yoel Sirkis the
author of the Bais Chadash, literally "New House", on the Tur),
he was Chief Rabbi in three major centers of Jewish life in Europe,
namely, Posen, Cracow, and Lemberg (Lvov). He lived in turbulent times
for Jews with many pogroms and the rise of the false moshiach (messiah,
annointed one), Shabsai Tzvi. His son and son-in-law (the Sha'gas Aryeh) investigated this false moshiach. He lost two sons to Cossack killers in 1664.

-------- 12/24/2004 01:36:25 PM

TITLE: Family History- Rama
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 12/24/2004 01:28:41 PM

Rabbi Moshe Ben Yisroel Isserles (1525-1572), better known by his acroynm, Rama (or Remah) was one of the leading Torah scholars of his day. He is famous for his notes (entitled the Mapah, or "Tablecover") on Rabbi Yosef Cairo's Shulchan Aruch (literally meaning "Set Table), which note the Ashkenazic (Eastern European) customs in comparison to the Shulchan Aruch's Sepharadic (Spanish, Palestinian, Syrian, Middle-eastern) customs. He also wrote the Darkei Moshe on the Tur at the same time as Rabbi Yosef Cairo was writing the Beis Yosef on the Tur. Rabbi Isserles was born and died in Cracow. He was the great-grandson of the first Rav of Brisk, Rabbi Yechiel Luria. His first wife was the daughter of Shalom Shachna, the Rosh Yeshiva in Lublin and predecessor of the Maharshal ZT"L. She passed away at the young age of 20, and Rabbi Isserles dedicated the Isserles Shul in her honor. His later wife was the sister of Yoseph ben Morechai Gershon HaCohen. Rabbi Moshe founded the Yeshiva (Jewish School) in Cracow. In addition to being a master in Gemara (Talmud) and Kabalah (Mystic Jewish Works), Rabbi Isserles was well-versed in Greek Philosophy, history and astronomy. He has been known to quote the Rambam (Maimonides) and Aristotle on many issues involving Hashkafah (Jewish thought).

-------- 12/24/2004 01:28:41 PM

TITLE: Current Family Members
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 12/24/2004 01:26:41 PM

As of this writting (12/24/2004) the Klein Family consists of the following persons:

Shoshana Klein (the wife of Reuven Chaim Klein son of Mordechai Klein)

Mordechai Meir Klein (and wife Bracha Klein)

Reuven Chaim Klein
Pinchas Azriel Klein
Yerucham Shimon Klein

Yosef Eliezer Klein (and wife Devora Klein)

Atara Klein
Reuven Chaim Klein
Meira Leah Klein
Yoninah Chagit Klein

Mordechai Steg (son of Faigy Steg daughter of Mordechai Klein)

-------- 12/24/2004 01:26:41 PM

TITLE: Re: [ravsig] Noam Elimelech-2004
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 12/24/2004 01:22:43 AM

From: Y. Klausner [mailto:yklaus@netvision.net.il]
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 9:46 PM
To: R.C. Klein
Subject: Re: [ravsig] Noam Elimelech-2004

To Reuven Chayim Shalom,
Yes! Eliezer and Dvora had a daughter Chaya Zlata who married Mordechay
KLEIN, and had a grandson Reuven Chayim apparently your grandfather.
Best regards and Shabat Shalom Yehuda

Join the Israel Genealogical Society (IGS) and receive our Journal
"Sharsheret Hadorot"
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Dr. Yehuda Klausner
yklaus@netvision.net.il
yklaus@macam.ac.il
klausner@alumni.princeton.edu

Searching:
KLAUSNER (KLAUZNER, CLOISNER, KLUZNER, etc.), BARZAM, KADISH, BUSHKE
(BOSHKE), ZEINWIRT (ZENVIRT),
EILENBERG (ILENBERG), LIEBERMAN (all spellings), WITKIND, HOCHGELEHRNTER
(GELEHRNTER), ENGLMAN (ENGELMAN), IROM (IRAM)
TEUMIM, MICHELSON Great Britain, South Africa, Rhodesia etc.),
Descendants of Moshe ben Meir KATZNELENBOGEN of Chelm, HERLING,
KATZ, (HaCOHEN, KAHANE, COHEN, etc.) from Galicia, GRINBERG (all spellings).

----- Original Message -----
From: R.C. Klein
To:
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 4:25 AM
Subject: RE: [ravsig] Noam Elimelech-2004

> Perhaps it was Friemman and not Freidman. Did the couple have a daughter
> named Chaya Zlata that you know of?
>
> =====
> Reuven Chaim Klein
> President of Kleins' Web Designs
> AIM/AOL Screename: IAmRachack (Add|IM)
> MSN Passport/email: Rachack@futurecities.com and Anakin9000@yahoo.com
> Homepages: http://Kleins.100megsfree5.com and http://Rachack.tripod.com
> Webmaster of: http://www.torashashem.org and
> http://www.myhomeloancompany.com
>
> (Attention: I am in Yeshiva during the week and I can only check me email
> on Friday Afternoon and Motzei Shabbos, so please be aware of this.)
>
> Surnames being researched:
> In Munkatch(Mukachevo) and its surrounding areas(especially a village
> called Kleczanev or Klyachanovo ):
> ECKSTEIN, FREIDMAN, KLEIN, MERMELSTEIN, UNGAR-AUERBACH
> In Bonyhad, a village in Hungary: KUTTNER
> From anywhere: ISSERLES, WEISSBLUM, SIRKES
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Y. Klausner [mailto:yklaus@netvision.net.il]
> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 9:05 AM
> To: R.C. Klein
> Subject: Re: [ravsig] Noam Elimelech-2004
>
>
> To Reuven Chayim Shavua Tov,
> No! I have Eliezer FRIEMMAN & Dvora ECKSTEIN in my DB but only what I
> received from you or someone else. If you could give me any additonal data
> like the name of his father, or dates, or locations I could perhaps
> identify
> him with one of the other Eliezer FRIEDMANs I have in my DB.
> Regards Yehuda
>
> Join the Israel Genealogical Society (IGS) and receive our Journal
> "Sharsheret Hadorot"
> Society branches are in Jerusalem, Tel Aviv, Haifa, Negev (Beer Sheva),
> Netanya.
> ehfurman@netvision.net.il
>
> Dr. Yehuda Klausner
> yklaus@netvision.net.il
> yklaus@macam.ac.il
> klausner@alumni.princeton.edu
>
> Searching:
> KLAUSNER (KLAUZNER, CLOISNER, KLUZNER, etc.), BARZAM, KADISH, BUSHKE
> (BOSHKE), ZEINWIRT (ZENVIRT),
> EILENBERG (ILENBERG), LIEBERMAN (all spellings), WITKIND, HOCHGELEHRNTER
> (GELEHRNTER), ENGLMAN (ENGELMAN), IROM (IRAM)
> TEUMIM, MICHELSON Great Britain, South Africa, Rhodesia etc.),
> Descendants of Moshe ben Meir KATZNELENBOGEN of Chelm, HERLING,
> KATZ, (HaCOHEN, KAHANE, COHEN, etc.) from Galicia, GRINBERG (all
> spellings).
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: R.C. Klein
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 1:29 AM
> Subject: RE: [ravsig] Noam Elimelech-2004
>
>
> > Thanks. Do you know of an Eliezer Freidman who married a Devorah
> Eckstein?
> >
> > =====
> > Reuven Chaim Klein
> > President of Kleins' Web Designs
> > AIM/AOL Screename: IAmRachack (Add|IM)
> > MSN Passport/email: Rachack@futurecities.com and Anakin9000@yahoo.com
> > Homepages: http://Kleins.100megsfree5.com and http://Rachack.tripod.com
> > Webmaster of: http://www.torashashem.org and
> > http://www.myhomeloancompany.com
> >
> > (Attention: I am in Yeshiva during the week and I can only check me
> email
> > on Friday Afternoon and Motzei Shabbos, so please be aware of this.)
> >
> > Surnames being researched:
> > In Munkatch(Mukachevo) and its surrounding areas(especially a village
> > called Kleczanev or Klyachanovo ):
> > ECKSTEIN, FREIDMAN, KLEIN, MERMELSTEIN, UNGAR-AUERBACH
> > In Bonyhad, a village in Hungary: KUTTNER
> > From anywhere: ISSERLES, WEISSBLUM, SIRKES
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Y. Klausner [mailto:yklaus@netvision.net.il]
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 11:52 AM
> > To: R.C. Klein
> > Subject: Re: [ravsig] Noam Elimelech-2004
> >
> >
> > Dear Reuven Chayim,
> > I am sending you the two files as attachments. I hope you can get it. I
> > don't know gno and don't use gedcom nor xml.
> > I usually send my list or as attachments like now or enclosed to the
> > letter.
> > So far no one complained. Perhaps it got scrambled this time.
> > Best regards and good luck Yehuda
> >
> >
> > Join the Israel Genealogical Society (IGS) and receive our Journal
> > "Sharsheret Hadorot"
> > Society branches are in Jerusalem, Tel Aviv, Haifa, Negev (Beer Sheva),
> > Netanya.
> > ehfurman@netvision.net.il
> >
> > Dr. Yehuda Klausner
> > yklaus@netvision.net.il
> > yklaus@macam.ac.il
> > klausner@alumni.princeton.edu
> >
> > Searching:
> > KLAUSNER (KLAUZNER, CLOISNER, KLUZNER, etc.), BARZAM, KADISH, BUSHKE
> > (BOSHKE), ZEINWIRT (ZENVIRT),
> > EILENBERG (ILENBERG), LIEBERMAN (all spellings), WITKIND, HOCHGELEHRNTER
> > (GELEHRNTER), ENGLMAN (ENGELMAN), IROM (IRAM)
> > TEUMIM, MICHELSON Great Britain, South Africa, Rhodesia etc.),
> > Descendants of Moshe ben Meir KATZNELENBOGEN of Chelm, HERLING,
> > KATZ, (HaCOHEN, KAHANE, COHEN, etc.) from Galicia, GRINBERG (all
> > spellings).
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: R.C. Klein
> > To:
> > Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 6:54 AM
> > Subject: RE: [ravsig] Noam Elimelech-2004
> >
> >
> > > I'm sorry, but I can't visualize the tree that you sent me. Can you
> > please
> > > send it to me in .gno, .ged or .xml (in GenoPro 2 Beta's XML format)?
> > > Thank you. And Yes, my grandfather who was named Reuven Chaim Klein
> was
> > a
> > > son of Mordechai Klein.
> > >
> > > =====
> > > Reuven Chaim Klein
> > > President of Kleins' Web Designs
> > > AIM/AOL Screename: IAmRachack (Add|IM)
> > > MSN Passport/email: Rachack@futurecities.com and Anakin9000@yahoo.com
> > > Homepages: http://Kleins.100megsfree5.com and
> http://Rachack.tripod.com
> > > Webmaster of: http://www.torashashem.org and
> > > http://www.myhomeloancompany.com
> > >
> > > (Attention: I am in Yeshiva during the week and I can only check me
> > email
> > > on Friday Afternoon and Motzei Shabbos, so please be aware of this.)
> > >
> > > Surnames being researched: KLEIN, MERMELSTEIN, UNGAR-AUERBACH,
> ECKSTEIN,
> > > FREIDMAN, SIRKES, ISSERLES in Munkatch and its surrounding
> > > areas(especially a village called Kleczanev).
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Y. Klausner [mailto:yklaus@netvision.net.il]
> > > Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 12:44 PM
> > > To: R.C. Klein
> > > Subject: Re: [ravsig] Noam Elimelech-2003
> > >
> > >
> > > To Reuven Chayim Shalom and Shavua Tov,
> > > Enclosed I am sending two consecutive descendants lists (D32207.TXT)
> and
> > > (D73147.TXT) of Eliezer Lipman WEISSBLUM father of Noam Elimelech.
> > > You should find how do you, or actually how Chaya Zlata FRIEDMAN and
> > Dvora
> > > ECKSTEIN, connect to the list.
> > > I would appreciate if you would share with me your findings.
> > > Also, was your grandfather, the son of Mordechay KLEIN, called also
> > Reuven
> > > Chayim? Or, how do you connect to Mordechay KLEIN?
> > > Best regards and Chodesh Tov Yehuda
> > >
> > > Numbers marked with # are ID code numbers of the person. You may
> always
> > > refer to the persons by their ID numbers #.
> > > Numbers in square brackets [ ] are the numbers of the references.
> > > The location of the asterisk * behind the dots represents the number
> of
> > > the
> > > generation.
> > > The data is as good as my references if you find any mistakes, errors,
> > > discrepancies that may impair my data please inform me.
> > >
> > > DESCENDANTS OF: Eliezer Lipman b'Avraham WEISSBLUM 11-Dec-2004
> > > PAGE
> > > 1
> > >
> > > 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14
> > >
> > > * Eliezer Lipman b'Avraham WEISSBLUM #32207 [76,127] m. Mirl
> > UNKNOWN
> > > #32208 [76,127]
> > > . * MeshulamZusha b'EliezerLipmanWeissblum #32209 [76,127]
> > > ( ) -d. -___-1800 m. Unknown b'Yakov Israel Twerski #32218 [76]
> > > . . * Zvi Menachem b'Meshulan Zusha Auerbach #32219
> [76,126,127]
> > > ( ) -d. -___-1814 m. Unknown b'Moshe Ivantzer #34935 [127]
> > > . . .
> > > m. Unknown b'Dov BAL-SHEM-TOV #34936 [127]
> > > . . * IsraelAvraham b'MeshulamZusha Lipshitz #32220 [76,127]
> > > b. -___-1772 d. -___-1813
> > > m. Unknown b'Zev Wolf Unknown #34937 [127]
> > > . . * Unknown b'Meshulam Zusha Lipshitz #34277 [127] m. Dov Ber
> > > b'Zvi
> > > BAL-SHEM-TOV m'Olinow #34276 [127]
> > > . . * Unknown Unknown #35494
> > > . * Elimelech b'EliezerWEISSBLUM m'Lezajsk #4846 [55,94,126,127]
> > > b. -___-1717 d. -___-1786
> > > m. Shprintze b'Aharon MARGALIOT ROKACH #4845 [55,72,127]
> > > . . * Elazar b'Elimelech WEISSBLUM m'Lizensk #8249 [58,126,127]
> > > b. -___-1741 d. -___-1806
> > > m. Unknown b'Israel Zvi Hirsh UNKNOWN #32233
> > [76,126,127]
> > > . . . m. Unknown b'Hershl Arbetke #8248 [58,76]
> > > . . * Eliezer Lipa b'Elimelech Weissblum #32221 [76,126,127]
> > > ( ) -d. -___-1813
> > > m. Unknown b'Fishl Unknown m'Zizilnik #34432
> [126,127]
> > > . . * Yakov b'Elimelech Weissblum Rothman #32222 [76,126,127]
> > > ( ) -d. -___-1810 m. Sara Unknown #34902 [73] d. -___-1810~
> > > . . * Mirl b'Elimelech Weissblum #32224 [76,126] m. Eliyahu
> > Unknown
> > > m'Biala-Podalsk #34904 [73,126]
> > > . . * Etil b'Elimelech Weissblum #32225 [73,76,126] Israel
> Elbaum
> > > Likover #32228 [73,76,126]
> > > . . * Unknown b'Elimelec Weissblum m'Lesajsk #37238 [126,127]
> m.
> > > Baruch b'Naftali Horovitz m'Lizensk #37140 [73,126,127,132]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > b.
> > > -___-1900
> > > d. -___-1955
> > > . . * Unknown b'Eliezer Weissblum #61269 [94] m. Eliya b'Yakov
> > > Unknown m'Biala Podlaska #61155 [94]
> > > . * Natan b'Eliezer Lipman m'Stuchin #34858 [73,127]
> > > ( ) -d. -___-1867 m. Unknown Unknown #39603 [127]
> > > . * Elka b'Eliezer Lipman #34859 [73] m. Unknown Bachrach
> m'Tiktin
> > > #34861 [73]
> > > . * Ita b'Eliezer Lipman WEISSBLUM #34860 [73,2003] m. Pesach
> > > LANGSAM
> > > SHAPIRA #34862 [73,127,2003] b. -___-1748 d. 2-Nov-1820
> > > . . * Zvi Elimelech b'Pesach SHAPIRA m'Dynow #34863
> > > [73,126,127,2003]
> > > b. -___-1783 d. -___-1841
> > > m. Chana Mindl b'Shmuel UNKNOWN #37432 [127,2003]
> > > . . * Meir b'Pesach Langsam Shapira #66328 [2003] m. Unknown
> > > b'Elazar
> > > Shapira #63813 [2003]
> > > . . * Nissel b'Pesach LANGSAM SHAPIRA #73147 [141,2003] m.
> > > Elimelech?
> > > ECKSTEIN #73148 [141,2003]
> > >
> > > DESCENDANTS OF: Nissel b'Pesach LANGSAM SHAPIRA 11-Dec-2004
> PAGE
> > 1
> > >
> > > 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14
> > >
> > > * Nissel b'Pesach LANGSAM SHAPIRA #73147 [141,2003] m. Elimelech?
> > > ECKSTEIN #73148 [141,2003]
> > > . * Yitzchak Isak b'Elimelech? ECKSTEIN #91176 [2003] m. Rachel
> > > FRIEDMAN #91177 [2003]
> > > . . * Moshe b'Yitzchak Isik ECKSTEIN #91178 [2003] b. -___-18??
> > > d. -___-18??
> > > . . * Yosef Shlomo b'Yitzchak Isik ECKSTEIN #91179 [141,2003]
> > > b. -___-1858~ d. -___-1920 m. Lea STEINBERGER #91184 [2003]
> > > . . .
> > > m. Chava ROSNER #91196 [141,2003]
> > >
> > > b. -___-18?? d. -___-1926
> > > . . * Eliezer b'Yitzchak Isik ECKSTEIN #91180 [2003] b.
> -___-18??
> > > d. -___-1943 m. Ida WEISS #91238 [2003]
> > > . . * Malka b'Yitzchak Isik ECKSTEIN #91181 [2003] b. -___-18??
> > > d. -___-19?? m. Yakov GRUNBAUM #91249 [2003]
> > > . . * Asher Anshel b'Yitzchak Isik ECKSTEIN #91182 [2003]
> > > b. -___-18?? d. -___-1946 m. Yudit Hudis ISRAEL #91255 [2003]
> > > . . * Yehuda Yidl b'Yitzchak Isik ECKSTEIN #91183 [2003] b.
> > > -___-18??
> > > m. Golda SPITZ #91266 [2003]
> > >
> > >
> > > Join the Israel Genealogical Society (IGS) and receive our Journal
> > > "Sharsheret Hadorot"
> > > Society branches are in Jerusalem, Tel Aviv, Haifa, Negev (Beer
> Sheva),
> > > Netanya.
> > > ehfurman@netvision.net.il
> > >
> > > Dr. Yehuda Klausner
> > > yklaus@netvision.net.il
> > > yklaus@macam.ac.il
> > > klausner@alumni.princeton.edu
> > >
> > > Searching:
> > > KLAUSNER (KLAUZNER, CLOISNER, KLUZNER, etc.), BARZAM, KADISH, BUSHKE
> > > (BOSHKE), ZEINWIRT (ZENVIRT),
> > > EILENBERG (ILENBERG), LIEBERMAN (all spellings), WITKIND,
> HOCHGELEHRNTER
> > > (GELEHRNTER), ENGLMAN (ENGELMAN), IROM (IRAM)
> > > TEUMIM, MICHELSON Great Britain, South Africa, Rhodesia etc.),
> > > Descendants of Moshe ben Meir KATZNELENBOGEN of Chelm, HERLING,
> > > KATZ, (HaCOHEN, KAHANE, COHEN, etc.) from Galicia, GRINBERG (all
> > > spellings).
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: R.C. Klein
> > > To: Rabbinic Genealogy SIG
> > > Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 8:48 AM
> > > Subject: [ravsig] Noam Elimelech
> > >
> > >
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> > > > My great-grandmother was Chaya Zlata FREIDMAN (Her father was
> > > > Eliezer FREIDMAN) and she married my great-grandfather Mordechai
> > > > KLEIN and afterwards she married Shlomo MERMELSTEIN. Chaya Zlata was
> > > > known to be a descendant of the Noam Elimelech from her mother,
> > > > Devorah ECKSTEIN. My question is whether someone can explain to me
> > > > this "known" link between the ECKSTEIN family and my gg-grandmother
> > > > Devorah ECKSTEIN and how I can get in touch with more relatives who
> > > > are also from the Noam Elimelech? All I know about CZ FREIDMAN was
> > > > that in her second marriage she lived in Kleczanev which is a town
> > > > near Munkatch.
> > > >
> > > > Reuven Chaim Klein
> > > > (Attention: I am in Yeshiva during the week and I can only check me
> > > > email on Friday Afternoon and Motzei Shabbos, so please be aware of
> > > > this.)
> > > >
> > > > Surnames being researched: KLEIN, MERMELSTEIN, UNGAR-AUERBACH,
> > > > ECKSTEIN, FREIDMAN, SIRKES, ISSERLES in Munkatch and its surrounding
> > > > areas(especially a village called Kleczanev).
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-------- 12/24/2004 01:22:43 AM

TITLE: Klein Family Member
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 12/19/2004 10:11:22 AM

From: Klein Collection [mailto:thekleincollection@yahoo.com]
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 10:11 AM
To: rachack@futurecities.com
Subject: Klein Family Member

Hello Reuven Chaim,

My name is Ben-Zion Klein and am living in Paris, France. My brother of Chaim Yerucham Klein A"H from Crown Heights, New York. While visiting my son and his family in Boca Raton, Florida, I stumbled upon your website regarding our Klein family ancestors. I want to commend you on your research, and am viably interested in obtaining your contact information (phone number if possible) in order to contact you when I return to Paris tomorrow. You can provide me this information by replying my grandson's email address (thekleincollection@yahoo.com) and he will let me know as to what you reply.

Best regards to you and your family,

Benzi Klein

-------- 12/19/2004 10:11:22 AM

TITLE: Klein Family Member
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 12/19/2004 10:11:00 AM

From: Klein Collection [mailto:thekleincollection@yahoo.com]
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 10:11 AM
To: rachack@futurecities.com
Subject: Klein Family Member

Hello Reuven Chaim,

My name is Ben-Zion Klein and am living in Paris, France. My brother of Chaim Yerucham Klein A"H from Crown Heights, New York. While visiting my son and his family in Boca Raton, Florida, I stumbled upon your website regarding our Klein family ancestors. I want to commend you on your research, and am viably interested in obtaining your contact information (phone number if possible) in order to contact you when I return to Paris tomorrow. You can provide me this information by replying my grandson's email address (thekleincollection@yahoo.com) and he will let me know as to what you reply.

Best regards to you and your family,

Benzi Klein

-------- 12/19/2004 10:11:00 AM

TITLE: EKSTEIN post on Jewishgen
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 12/12/2004 12:46:15 PM

From: Cohentalk@aol.com [mailto:Cohentalk@aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 12:45 PM
To: Anakin9000@yahoo.com; Rachack@futurecities.com
Subject: EKSTEIN post on Jewishgen

Reuven Chaim Klein writes:
Devorah Eckstein and how I can get in touch with more relatives who are also
from the Noam Elimelech? All I know about CZ Freidman
was that in her second marriage she lived in Kleczanev
which is a town near Munkatch.

=====
Dear Reuven,

I read our email on Jewishgen. Do you also participate on the Hungary SIG? I would suggest it maybe beneficial for you.

I am also writing to share info about EKSTEIN from Munkacs and area:

My gg grandmother was Chaya Feige WEISZ nee AXELRAD born 1828. One brother was Izrael Jozsef AXELRAD. Their parents were David Jakob AXELRAD and Kreindel EKSTEIN.

Izrael Jozsef' wife was Jetti/Jente (Yenta?) nee EKSTEIN born ca. 1838 in Denkovitsya* (*sp?) near Munkacs. Jetti died 1899 in Rosvigovo. Her parents were Meilech EKSTEIN and Devora BERGER.

some of Izsrael Jozsef & Jetti' children were

Devora who married Jozsef Shlomo WEISZ son of Chaya Feige & Avr. WEISZ

Nute/Nathan/Nachman b. 1872 in Rosvigovo (Oroszveg) Munkacs

Szura b. 1868 in Rosvigovo

Hudje Etel b. 1870 in "

Also..... Abraham Peres AXELRAD b. 1898 Rosvigovo, son of Chaim AXELRAD & Berta/Bella KLEIN married Brandel Berta KLEIN b. 1872, daughter of Salomon KLEIN and Betti FRI(E)DLENDER. --I can't connect Chaim to a set of parents, yet.

My great grandparents: Raizl/Roza nee WEISZ b. 1847 in Rosvigovo, dtr. of Chaya Feige and Avraham WEISZ and

Pesach Leib KATZ b. ca. 1845 in Sapinta/Szaplonca (Spinka) Maramaros

Raizl & Pesach grandson Avraham WEISZ married a MERMELSTEIN.

To sum it up--I don't know if Kreindel & Jetti were sisters, cousins or unrelated EKSTEINs. I have many KATZ, WEISZ, AXELRAD & EKSTEIN from Oroszveg/Rosvigovo Munkacs/Mukachevo who were related and inter-married. My EISENBERG may also have a MERMELSTEIN conncection.

My families from the city of Munkacs and the district of Munkacs that I am researching are:

KATZ, WEISZ, EISENBERG, SCHWARCZ, AXELRAD/AKSELROD, EKSTEIN, ROTH, SCHWIMMER, PENNER, NEUMAN, GRUENBERG/GRINBERG, WEINBERG, BERKOWITZ,

Please let me know if you see a connection with my info. If you prefer to call me, my number is 248 543 2250 and 248 763 5000.

Best wishes,

Linda Cohen

25301 Scotia Rd.

Huntington Woods, Michigan 48070

-------- 12/12/2004 12:46:15 PM

TITLE: Town - Kleczanev, Ukraine
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 12/12/2004 07:42:26 AM

From: Alexander Sharon [mailto:a.sharon@shaw.ca]
Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 7:42 AM
To: Reuven Chaim Klein; JGFFHelp
Subject: Re: [jgffhelp] Town - Kleczanev, Ukraine

Done, Reuven.

Town correct name is Klyachanovo.

Town is located on the NW outskirts of Mukachevo (Munkac)

Hannukah Greetings,

Alexander Sharon
JGFF editor

----- Original Message -----
From: "Reuven Chaim Klein"
To: "JGFFHelp"
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 10:03 PM
Subject: [jgffhelp] Town - Kleczanev, Ukraine

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> - Email: rachack@futurecities.com
> - JewishGen ID#: 106665
>
> - Ancestral Town: Kleczanev
> - Ancestral Country: Ukraine
> - Ancestral Surname: FREIDMAN
>
> - Source: A letter from a relative who said that my great-grandmother
> lived in Kleczanev near Munkatch. The letter is dated November 1996.
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-------- 12/12/2004 07:42:26 AM

TITLE: RE: [ravsig] Noam Elimelech-2004
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 12/11/2004 08:54:11 PM

From: R.C. Klein [mailto:rachack@futurecities.com]
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 8:55 PM
To: 'yklaus@netvision.net.il'
Subject: RE: [ravsig] Noam Elimelech-2004

I'm sorry, but I can't visualize the tree that you sent me. Can you please
send it to me in .gno, .ged or .xml (in GenoPro 2 Beta's XML format)?
Thank you. And Yes, my grandfather who was named Reuven Chaim Klein was a
son of Mordechai Klein.

=====
Reuven Chaim Klein
President of Kleins' Web Designs
AIM/AOL Screename: IAmRachack (Add|IM)
MSN Passport/email: Rachack@futurecities.com and Anakin9000@yahoo.com
Homepages: http://Kleins.100megsfree5.com and http://Rachack.tripod.com
Webmaster of: http://www.torashashem.org and
http://www.myhomeloancompany.com

(Attention: I am in Yeshiva during the week and I can only check me email
on Friday Afternoon and Motzei Shabbos, so please be aware of this.)

Surnames being researched: KLEIN, MERMELSTEIN, UNGAR-AUERBACH, ECKSTEIN,
FREIDMAN, SIRKES, ISSERLES in Munkatch and its surrounding
areas(especially a village called Kleczanev).

-----Original Message-----
From: Y. Klausner [mailto:yklaus@netvision.net.il]
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 12:44 PM
To: R.C. Klein
Subject: Re: [ravsig] Noam Elimelech-2003

To Reuven Chayim Shalom and Shavua Tov,
Enclosed I am sending two consecutive descendants lists (D32207.TXT) and
(D73147.TXT) of Eliezer Lipman WEISSBLUM father of Noam Elimelech.
You should find how do you, or actually how Chaya Zlata FRIEDMAN and Dvora
ECKSTEIN, connect to the list.
I would appreciate if you would share with me your findings.
Also, was your grandfather, the son of Mordechay KLEIN, called also Reuven
Chayim? Or, how do you connect to Mordechay KLEIN?
Best regards and Chodesh Tov Yehuda

Numbers marked with # are ID code numbers of the person. You may always
refer to the persons by their ID numbers #.
Numbers in square brackets [ ] are the numbers of the references.
The location of the asterisk * behind the dots represents the number of
the
generation.
The data is as good as my references if you find any mistakes, errors,
discrepancies that may impair my data please inform me.

DESCENDANTS OF: Eliezer Lipman b'Avraham WEISSBLUM 11-Dec-2004
PAGE
1

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14

* Eliezer Lipman b'Avraham WEISSBLUM #32207 [76,127] m. Mirl UNKNOWN
#32208 [76,127]
. * MeshulamZusha b'EliezerLipmanWeissblum #32209 [76,127]
( ) -d. -___-1800 m. Unknown b'Yakov Israel Twerski #32218 [76]
. . * Zvi Menachem b'Meshulan Zusha Auerbach #32219 [76,126,127]
( ) -d. -___-1814 m. Unknown b'Moshe Ivantzer #34935 [127]
. . .
m. Unknown b'Dov BAL-SHEM-TOV #34936 [127]
. . * IsraelAvraham b'MeshulamZusha Lipshitz #32220 [76,127]
b. -___-1772 d. -___-1813
m. Unknown b'Zev Wolf Unknown #34937 [127]
. . * Unknown b'Meshulam Zusha Lipshitz #34277 [127] m. Dov Ber
b'Zvi
BAL-SHEM-TOV m'Olinow #34276 [127]
. . * Unknown Unknown #35494
. * Elimelech b'EliezerWEISSBLUM m'Lezajsk #4846 [55,94,126,127]
b. -___-1717 d. -___-1786
m. Shprintze b'Aharon MARGALIOT ROKACH #4845 [55,72,127]
. . * Elazar b'Elimelech WEISSBLUM m'Lizensk #8249 [58,126,127]
b. -___-1741 d. -___-1806
m. Unknown b'Israel Zvi Hirsh UNKNOWN #32233 [76,126,127]
. . . m. Unknown b'Hershl Arbetke #8248 [58,76]
. . * Eliezer Lipa b'Elimelech Weissblum #32221 [76,126,127]
( ) -d. -___-1813
m. Unknown b'Fishl Unknown m'Zizilnik #34432 [126,127]
. . * Yakov b'Elimelech Weissblum Rothman #32222 [76,126,127]
( ) -d. -___-1810 m. Sara Unknown #34902 [73] d. -___-1810~
. . * Mirl b'Elimelech Weissblum #32224 [76,126] m. Eliyahu Unknown
m'Biala-Podalsk #34904 [73,126]
. . * Etil b'Elimelech Weissblum #32225 [73,76,126] Israel Elbaum
Likover #32228 [73,76,126]
. . * Unknown b'Elimelec Weissblum m'Lesajsk #37238 [126,127] m.
Baruch b'Naftali Horovitz m'Lizensk #37140 [73,126,127,132]

b.
-___-1900
d. -___-1955
. . * Unknown b'Eliezer Weissblum #61269 [94] m. Eliya b'Yakov
Unknown m'Biala Podlaska #61155 [94]
. * Natan b'Eliezer Lipman m'Stuchin #34858 [73,127]
( ) -d. -___-1867 m. Unknown Unknown #39603 [127]
. * Elka b'Eliezer Lipman #34859 [73] m. Unknown Bachrach m'Tiktin
#34861 [73]
. * Ita b'Eliezer Lipman WEISSBLUM #34860 [73,2003] m. Pesach
LANGSAM
SHAPIRA #34862 [73,127,2003] b. -___-1748 d. 2-Nov-1820
. . * Zvi Elimelech b'Pesach SHAPIRA m'Dynow #34863
[73,126,127,2003]
b. -___-1783 d. -___-1841
m. Chana Mindl b'Shmuel UNKNOWN #37432 [127,2003]
. . * Meir b'Pesach Langsam Shapira #66328 [2003] m. Unknown
b'Elazar
Shapira #63813 [2003]
. . * Nissel b'Pesach LANGSAM SHAPIRA #73147 [141,2003] m.
Elimelech?
ECKSTEIN #73148 [141,2003]

DESCENDANTS OF: Nissel b'Pesach LANGSAM SHAPIRA 11-Dec-2004 PAGE 1

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14

* Nissel b'Pesach LANGSAM SHAPIRA #73147 [141,2003] m. Elimelech?
ECKSTEIN #73148 [141,2003]
. * Yitzchak Isak b'Elimelech? ECKSTEIN #91176 [2003] m. Rachel
FRIEDMAN #91177 [2003]
. . * Moshe b'Yitzchak Isik ECKSTEIN #91178 [2003] b. -___-18??
d. -___-18??
. . * Yosef Shlomo b'Yitzchak Isik ECKSTEIN #91179 [141,2003]
b. -___-1858~ d. -___-1920 m. Lea STEINBERGER #91184 [2003]
. . .
m. Chava ROSNER #91196 [141,2003]

b. -___-18?? d. -___-1926
. . * Eliezer b'Yitzchak Isik ECKSTEIN #91180 [2003] b. -___-18??
d. -___-1943 m. Ida WEISS #91238 [2003]
. . * Malka b'Yitzchak Isik ECKSTEIN #91181 [2003] b. -___-18??
d. -___-19?? m. Yakov GRUNBAUM #91249 [2003]
. . * Asher Anshel b'Yitzchak Isik ECKSTEIN #91182 [2003]
b. -___-18?? d. -___-1946 m. Yudit Hudis ISRAEL #91255 [2003]
. . * Yehuda Yidl b'Yitzchak Isik ECKSTEIN #91183 [2003] b.
-___-18??
m. Golda SPITZ #91266 [2003]

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Descendants of Moshe ben Meir KATZNELENBOGEN of Chelm, HERLING,
KATZ, (HaCOHEN, KAHANE, COHEN, etc.) from Galicia, GRINBERG (all
spellings).

----- Original Message -----
From: R.C. Klein
To: Rabbinic Genealogy SIG
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 8:48 AM
Subject: [ravsig] Noam Elimelech

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> My great-grandmother was Chaya Zlata FREIDMAN (Her father was
> Eliezer FREIDMAN) and she married my great-grandfather Mordechai
> KLEIN and afterwards she married Shlomo MERMELSTEIN. Chaya Zlata was
> known to be a descendant of the Noam Elimelech from her mother,
> Devorah ECKSTEIN. My question is whether someone can explain to me
> this "known" link between the ECKSTEIN family and my gg-grandmother
> Devorah ECKSTEIN and how I can get in touch with more relatives who
> are also from the Noam Elimelech? All I know about CZ FREIDMAN was
> that in her second marriage she lived in Kleczanev which is a town
> near Munkatch.
>
> Reuven Chaim Klein
> (Attention: I am in Yeshiva during the week and I can only check me
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> this.)
>
> Surnames being researched: KLEIN, MERMELSTEIN, UNGAR-AUERBACH,
> ECKSTEIN, FREIDMAN, SIRKES, ISSERLES in Munkatch and its surrounding
> areas(especially a village called Kleczanev).
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-------- 12/11/2004 08:54:11 PM

TITLE: re: Noam Elimelech
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 12/11/2004 08:51:51 PM

From: R.C. Klein [mailto:rachack@futurecities.com]
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 8:51 PM
To: 'weiser@ba.net'
Subject: RE: noam elimelech

Yes, can you please look up the information for me and forward the email to that person? It would be so helpful. I live in Los Angeles, CA. Now I don't know the Elovitz family.

=====
Reuven Chaim Klein
President of Kleins' Web Designs
AIM/AOL Screename: IAmRachack (Add|IM)
MSN Passport/email: Rachack@futurecities.com and Anakin9000@yahoo.com
Homepages: http://Kleins.100megsfree5.com and http://Rachack.tripod.com
Webmaster of: http://www.torashashem.org and http://www.myhomeloancompany.com

(Attention: I am in Yeshiva during the week and I can only check me email on Friday Afternoon and Motzei Shabbos, so please be aware of this.)

Surnames being researched: KLEIN, MERMELSTEIN, UNGAR-AUERBACH, ECKSTEIN, FREIDMAN, SIRKES, ISSERLES in Munkatch and its surrounding areas(especially a village called Kleczanev).

-----Original Message-----
From: Apache [mailto:apache@fes01.lc-2.la.inter.net] On Behalf Of Weiser
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 4:20 PM
To: rachack@futurecities.com
Subject: noam elimelech

hi.
shavua tov.
i am a decendent of rabi elimelech of lezanjsk(noam elimelech)
i am now in ururguay but i will be tomorrow nigth (im irtze ashem)at home in buenos aires.
there i will try to look in my books to try to help you.
but i think you will have to find out deborah ekshtein parents name.
also there is a person in new york that knows a lot of decendents of the noam elimelech.his name is dov weber.
if you whant i can forward your e-mail to him.
were do you live?
i am decendent of the noam elimelech daugther mirel and my family also are from hungary so i think you may probably been decendent of the same daugther.have you ever hear been decendent of the elovitz family?
please let me know of any new clue you find to try to help you more.

ruben weiser
buenos aires
argentina

________________________________________________
Mensaje enviado usando Webmail Inter.Net Argentina

-------- 12/11/2004 08:51:51 PM

TITLE: Bach
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 12/11/2004 08:44:12 PM

From: R.C. Klein [mailto:rachack@futurecities.com]
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 8:49 PM
To: 'reubendgross@optonline.net'
Subject: RE: Sirkes

I don't know exactly how I'm a descendant of the Bach, but that's my next project. All I know is that it's from my ggg-grandfather Reuven Chaim Klein who wrote the Shenos Chaim and it says in the sefer he's a descendant of the Bach.

=====
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Webmaster of: http://www.torashashem.org and http://www.myhomeloancompany.com

(Attention: I am in Yeshiva during the week and I can only check me email on Friday Afternoon and Motzei Shabbos, so please be aware of this.)

Surnames being researched: KLEIN, MERMELSTEIN, UNGAR-AUERBACH, ECKSTEIN, FREIDMAN, SIRKES, ISSERLES in Munkatch and its surrounding areas(especially a village called Kleczanev).

-----Original Message-----
From: Reuben Gross [mailto:reubendgross@optonline.net]
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 3:44 PM
To: rachack@futurecities.com
Subject: Sirkes

Gut vuch Reuven:
I have nothing to offer on your research on Noam Elimelech. I saw, however that you are researching Sirkes and I assume that you've linked yourself back to the BaCh.

I like adding cousins, albeit 12th cousins to my tree. I look forward to hearing from you

Reuben Gross
Reuben Gross Associates, Architects
1205 West Laurelton Parkway
Teaneck, NJ 07666
201-833-4446
Fax 833-0484

-------- 12/11/2004 08:44:12 PM

TITLE: Noam Elimelech
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 12/11/2004 04:20:51 PM

From: Apache [mailto:apache@fes01.lc-2.la.inter.net] On Behalf Of Weiser
From: weiser@ba.net
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 4:20 PM
To: rachack@futurecities.com
Subject: noam elimelech

hi.
shavua tov.
i am a decendent of rabi elimelech of lezanjsk(noam elimelech)
i am now in ururguay but i will be tomorrow nigth (im irtze ashem)at home in buenos aires.
there i will try to look in my books to try to help you.
but i think you will have to find out deborah ekshtein parents name.
also there is a person in new york that knows a lot of decendents of the noam elimelech.his name is dov weber.
if you whant i can forward your e-mail to him.
were do you live?
i am decendent of the noam elimelech daugther mirel and my family also are from hungary so i think you may probably been decendent of the same daugther.have you ever hear been decendent of the elovitz family?
please let me know of any new clue you find to try to help you more.

ruben weiser
buenos aires
argentina
-------- 12/11/2004 04:20:51 PM

TITLE: Sirkes
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 12/11/2004 03:45:09 PM

From: Reuben Gross [mailto:reubendgross@optonline.net]
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 3:44 PM
To: rachack@futurecities.com
Subject: Sirkes

Gut vuch Reuven:

I have nothing to offer on your research on Noam Elimelech. I saw, however that you are researching Sirkes and I assume that you've linked yourself back to the BaCh.

I like adding cousins, albeit 12th cousins to my tree. I look forward to hearing from you
Reuben Gross
Reuben Gross Associates, Architects
1205 West Laurelton Parkway
Teaneck, NJ 07666
201-833-4446
Fax 833-0484 -------- 12/11/2004 03:45:09 PM

TITLE: Noam Elimelech
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 12/10/2004 10:25:39 AM

Subject: Re: Noam Elimelech
From: "moishe@langsam.com"
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 10:25:25 -0500
X-Message-Number: 3

On 2004.12.10, R.C. Klein wrote:

> [...] My question is whether someone can explain to me this "known"
> link between the ECKSTEIN family and my gg-grandmother Devorah
> ECKSTEIN and how I can get in touch with more relatives who are
> also from the Noam Elimelech [...]

Hi,

I am only aware of an ECKSTEIN connection to the Noam Elimelch via
Pesach LANGSAM (c.1748 - c.1820). He was a nephew of the Noam
Elimelech. His mother-in-law was a sister to the Noam Elimelech.
He was also the father of the Bnei Yissoschur, R' Hersh Mylech SPIRA
(1783 - 1841).

Pesach LANGSAM had a daughter that married an ECKSTEIN. More info
on this family can be found at my website at: http://www.langsam.com

The specific page within the site that deals with ECKSTEIN is at:
http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/eckstein/eckstein.htm

-Moishe Miller
Brooklyn, NY
mailto:moishe@langsam.com

-------- 12/10/2004 10:25:39 AM

TITLE: SEFARDIM FROM Mukachevo
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 12/6/2004 09:31:20 AM

From: PJL427@aol.com
Subject: SEFARDIM FROM Mukachevo
Mon 12/6/2004 9:31 AM

Read the note below from Stan.
His family named Jimenez are from your town.
He talks a little about it.
Philip

Message: 4
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 14:43:53 -0000
From: "steinhe"
Subject: Re: Jimenez a Jewish surname?

Hello again Stan,

There are indeed Sephardim in Eastern and Central Europe. In the
case of my wife's family, members of the Abravanel family were
located in a small town in Poland and in Berlin.

There are generally two ways this happened. The first, of course, is
escape from the inquisition/force exile from Spain which you have
pointed out. The other is trade. Many Sephardic families were in
international trade. Parts of some Sephardic families from Iberia
would move to ports and trading cities of Europe. Many of the ports
cites of the Med Ocean had large Sephardic communities. From these
port cities the traders moved inland.

Harry

--- In SephardicForum@yahoogroups.com, "reviewstar"
wrote:
>
>
> Hello Enrique,
> Thanks for your reply to my message! First of all the name Jimenez
> in Ukrainian will sound like this Himenetz, but i know that the
> original is Jimenez or Ximenez! That's why I write it as the
> original! I also have learned that the name itself means Son of
> Simon because the -ez endings in spanish mean son of, and the Jimen
> part is the old ladino for Shimon or Simon so the name Jimenez
> literraly means Son of Simon! Also from what my mom told me my
> granpa had a Hungarian citizenship and was studying in Hungary but
> for some reason he was hiding this from all of us! Also the part of
> Ukraine where i was born and where we are from was Hungary before
> plus the city where I was born in - Mukachevo it used to be that
> more than 50% ot the total city population were Jewish! We had few
> synagogues and so forth! So I don't really know for sure how we
> ended up in Ukraine but I can guess that we came to Ukraine from
> Hungary! Or maybe the part of Hungary we lived in became Ukraine!
> Now the question is, is it known that sephardic jews immigrated to
> Hungary during the spanish inquisition or not? How in the world did
> we end up in Hungary/Ukraine? Also there are some people with the
> surname Jimenez throughout Ukraine which makes it even more
> interesting! Also another interesting question: Does the fact that
> my mom's maiden name was Jimenez (and knowing that Jimenez is a
> jewish surname)with that in mind, can I say that i'm Jewish or not?
> Also we don't know for sure but probably my father has Jewish blood
> in him as well! His granma's maiden name was Bilich!
> Thank you, and I will wait for your reply!
> Sincerely,
> Stan
>
> --- In SephardicForum@yahoogroups.com, "mevalle"
> wrote:
> >
> > Jimenez, Ximenez (with z or s) and so on are deffinettly of
Jewish
> > sepharadic ancestry
> > the interesting part of this message is that it comes from
Ukraine
> which as
> > i undesrtand many azkenazim are from the area, my father was one
> of them.
> > it would be interesting a study how the Jimenez ended up in this
> country,
> > it could be a new arrival, during the soviet times many students
> from many
> > latin american countries ended up in the area as with goverment
> scolarships
> > and some got married to local girls and stayed, i feel this could
> be the
> > case because the name has not changed, ususally after 2 or 3
> generations the
> > name accuires local lenguage changes but we see here it that it
> has
> > remaineded as the original.
> > Enrique
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "reviewstar"
> > To:
> > Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 3:09 AM
> > Subject: [Sephardim.com] Jimenez a Jewish surname?
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello! My name is Stan! My grandfather's last name from my mom's
> > > side is Jimenez and he lives in Ukraine on the border with
> Hungary
> > > and Checkoslovakia! I'm trying to find out if it is a Jewish
last
> > > name or not, my mom doesn't know anything about our last name's
> > > history and granpa never said anything(maybe he was hiding)so
> that's
> > > why we are trying everything we can to find out the history of
> our
> > > Last name Jimenez, its origins and so on! Please if anyone
knows
> any
> > > information about this last name please help! Any information
> would
> > > be very helpful!
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Stan

=====
Reuven Chaim Klein

President of Kleins' Web Designs
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-------- 12/6/2004 09:31:20 AM

TITLE: re: Noam Elimelech
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 12/5/2004 09:33:54 PM

I Am Rachack: hello, are you availible to talk right now?
PJL427: yes
I Am Rachack: i was looking at my records, and I have an email that I sent you in aug. re: genealogy, and u never wrote me back
PJL427: who are you?
I Am Rachack: = Reuven Chaim Klein
PJL427: What was the email about Reuven?
I Am Rachack: can i re-send it to you so you will see?
PJL427: yes.
PJL427: what is your email address, I will look for it?
I Am Rachack: rachack@futurecities.com
I Am Rachack: i resent it so you dont have to look
PJL427: about Noam Elimelich?
I Am Rachack: ya
PJL427: I think I asked you what city that your Eckstein's and Friedman's came from
I Am Rachack: right
I Am Rachack: and i said i wasn't sure, but i think probably munkatch or somewehre around there
PJL427: What country is Munkatch in?
I Am Rachack: Ukraine
I Am Rachack: sometimes it was in Russia and sometimes in Hungary
PJL427: Were those the Friedman's or the Ecksteins?
I Am Rachack: I don't know
PJL427: There are several Ecksteins that intersect in our family.
I Am Rachack: do u have a tree that i can look at?
PJL427: George Eckstein born 7 Jul 1896 and died Sepp 1974 was married to my Grandmother's baby sister
I Am Rachack: too recent
PJL427: They lived in Clleveland, Ohio. I do not know where he came from or where he was born
PJL427: All I know about him is that he was very nice to my father when he was a youngster during the depression
PJL427: There are many other Friedman's from a different part of the family
I Am Rachack: do u have a tree of the noam elimelech's family?
PJL427: I have a lot of Friedman's but do not rememeber saying that I had a Noam Elimelech. I a looking to see what exactly we migh have been talking about
PJL427: There is an Isaac Friedman that connects into the Levitansky family that goes back to 1824, but there are no dates, just 9 children and many grandchildren and greatgrandchildren etc
I Am Rachack: ok
PJL427: The Friedman's that are most closely related to me are the Friedman's from Romania. They were very prominent and in Who's Who in WOrld Jewry in three generations
PJL427: O dpm
PJL427: O dpm
PJL427: I don't have all of them
PJL427: sorry, the machine is mis typing
PJL427: I have the generation of my grandfather and the one before that. He was born in the 1880's
PJL427: The Grandfather of my Grandfather's first cousins named Friedman was named Haskell Friedman. I know nothing about him besides his name
PJL427: There is a legend that part of the family lived in Russia or the Ukraine and that they would go back and forth
I Am Rachack: interesting
PJL427: My Great grandfather's first wife had a daughter who married a cousin FRIEDMAN
PJL427: Soemhow in a previous generation, a child's mother had died and the fgirl was taken to Russia to be with the grandparents
I Am Rachack: have you heard of the city "Kleczanev"?
PJL427: When the father was ready to get the little girl back they would not release her back so he kidnapped her and brought her back to Romania where she married a cousin there.
PJL427: I have not heard of Kleczanev
PJL427: sounds Ukrainian
I Am Rachack: it is Ukranian
PJL427: I think that the area around the Black Sea was a Unit area for the Jews
PJL427: There was a lot of interrelationships with the people from Odessa, and Romania.
PJL427: Do you know where your town was in the Ukraine?
PJL427: Was it close to Odessa or Kiev?
I Am Rachack: "near Munkatch:
PJL427: Where is Munkatch?
I Am Rachack: ukraine
PJL427: Ukraine is huge
PJL427: Let me look it up in WOWW
I Am Rachack: ok
PJL427: Munkacs=Munkazs-Munkatsch=Mukachevo
PJL427: pop 11313
PJL427: 182 km SSW of LVOV 48 degrees 27'/22 degrees 43'
PJL427: AKA Mukaczewo
PJL427: It is closer to Lvov which was the capital of Galicia during the time of the Austro-Hungarian Empire
PJL427: Lvov is also called Lemberg
PJL427: My GGGF was born in Bobrka in 1824 which was 15 km from Lvov (Lemberg)
I Am Rachack: was he rleated to the Noam Elimelech
I Am Rachack: ?
PJL427: I don't know. His daughter married one of the Friedman's that I told you about that was running back and forth to the Ukraine
PJL427: There were relatives in the Ukraine. That is all I know. I don't know who they were yet
I Am Rachack: i see
PJL427: Munkatch was closeby but Friedman was a fairly common name
I Am Rachack: ok
I Am Rachack: (by the way, did u keep the IM window open the whole time and record this conversation, because i want to keep it for my records it look at some time in the future?)
PJL427: It is possible, but we would both need more information
I Am Rachack: can u send me an email of the log of this conversation?
PJL427: Sorry, I just don't have enough information to give you more connections. Sure. It is done.

=====
Reuven Chaim Klein

President of Kleins' Web Designs
AIM/AOL Screename: IAmRachack (Add|IM)
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-------- 12/5/2004 09:33:54 PM

TITLE: RE: [ravsig] Sefer Haraal uPri Genusar?
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 11/26/2004 08:25:14 AM

From: Howard Reich [mailto:reichfamily@sbcglobal.net]
Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 8:25 AM
To: R.C. Klein
Subject: RE: [ravsig] Sefer Haraal uPri Genusar?

The Mermelstein family in Chicago is not from Kleczanev. Sorry.
You have a gut shabbos too!
-----Original Message-----
From: R.C. Klein [mailto:rachack@futurecities.com]
Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 10:15 AM
To: 'Howard Reich'
Subject: RE: [ravsig] Sefer Haraal uPri Genusar?

I am researching the Mermelstein nfamily because I know that my
great-grandmother (father's father's mother) married Reb Shlomo Mermelstein
in the small town of Kleczanev near Munkatch. Her previous husband, my
Great-grandfather Mordechai Klein died at a young age and was a descendant
of the Shenos Chaim (as you can see at my webpage about all this
http://kleins.100megsfree5.com )
Gut Shabbos,
=====
Reuven Chaim Klein
President of Kleins' Web Designs
AIM/AOL Screename: IAmRachack (AddIM)
MSN Passport/email: Rachack@futurecities.com and Anakin9000@yahoo.com
Homepages: http://Kleins.100megsfree5.com and http://Rachack.tripod.com
Webmaster of: http://www.torashashem.org and
http://www.myhomeloancompany.com
(Attention: I am in Yeshiva during the week and I can only check me email on
Friday Afternoon and Motzei Shabbos, so please be aware of this.)
Surnames being researched: KLEIN, MERMELSTEIN, UNGAR-AUERBACH, EPSTEIN,
SIRKES, ISSERLES in Munkatch and its surrounding areas.

-----Original Message-----
From: Howard Reich [mailto:reichfamily@sbcglobal.net]
Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 8:07 AM
To: R.C. Klein
Subject: RE: [ravsig] Sefer Haraal uPri Genusar?

If you are related to the Mermelsteins' of Munkatch, then you may be related
to the Mermelstein family in Chicago and R. Yosef Mermelstein of Rav
Perlow's yeshiva in Boro Park. Please let me know if you are or believe you
may be, and need an introduction.
-----Original Message-----
From: R.C. Klein [mailto:rachack@futurecities.com]
Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 12:37 AM
To: Rabbinic Genealogy SIG
Subject: Re:[ravsig] Sefer Haraal uPri Genusar?

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> I recently visited the grave of Rabbi Avraham Eliezer ALPERSTEIN at
> Mt. Judah in NYC. One of the lines on his matzeva refers to him as
> the author of Sefer Haraal uPri Genusar which is supposed to be a
> Commentary on Masechta Bikkurim.
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> I would very much like to find out what this title means. [...]
> I can't find anything for Gnusar [...]
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-------- 11/26/2004 08:25:14 AM

TITLE: Re: Mermelstein Klein
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 11/19/2004 02:34:47 PM

To: 'margalit'
From: RC Klein
Date: Fri 11/19/2004 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: Mermelstein Klein
everything i know is on the site http://kleins.100megsfree5.com and yes that is the reuven klein who wrote the shenos chaim. If you search the word "Gelb" on that site you will come up with a couple hits from my site's family tree. I'm sorry I took so long to answer, but I am in yeshiva all week and stay in the dorm and only come home for friday afternoon and shabbos.

Good Shabbos,
=====Reuven Chaim Klein President of Kleins' Web DesignsAIM/AOL Screename: IAmRachack (AddIM) MSN Passport/email: Rachack@futurecities.com and Anakin9000@yahoo.comHomepages:http://Kleins.100megsfree5.com and http://Rachack.tripod.comWebmaster of: http://www.torashashem.org and http://www.myhomeloancompany.com
-------- 11/19/2004 02:34:47 PM

TITLE: Re: Mermelstein Klein
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 11/11/2004 08:44:18 PM

From: margalit [mailto: margalittesler@skynet.be ]
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 8:34 AM
To: R.C. Klein
Subject: Re: Mermelstein Klein
I would be interested if you could send me your information about family Mermelstein from Munkatch.
By the way are you a descendant from Harav Reuven Chaim Klein mechaber of "shnos chaim". My grandfathers cousin Benzion gelb was married to the daughter of his son yeruchem.
I also read a book written by his grandaughter.
-------- 11/11/2004 08:44:18 PM

TITLE: Family Tree
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 10/31/2004 06:18:57 PM

From: Steven B. Schwartz [mailto: sschwartz@mail.com ]
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 6:18 PM
To: Rudy Klein
Subject: Family Tree
I have very fond memories of your grandfather, my Uncle Rudy, and Iâ€™m so glad that you are carrying his name.

Even though we are not blood relatives, the relationship between my mother and your grandfather and your great-aunt Fayge was very close. When I was growing up, there was no distinction made between my Uncle Rudy or Aunt Fayge and my other aunts and uncles. So you and your family have places of honor in my family tree, despite the title â€œFamily of Reb Shlomo Mermelstein.â€ As far as I know, both Rudy and Fayge knew my grandfather as their â€œfatherâ€.

Iâ€™ll be happy to discuss the Family Tree with you any time!

Steve Schwartz
-------- 10/31/2004 06:18:57 PM

TITLE: Re: Mermelstein
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 10/29/2004 10:19:04 PM

From: R.C. Klein
To: 'margalit'
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 10:19 PM
Subject: RE: Mermelstein
i beleive the family i am researching is a family of leviim. You are not the first to approach about Levi Mermelsteins from Munkatch. If I had the other researchers' email information, I would give it to you.

=====Reuven Chaim Klein President of Kleins' Web DesignsAIM/AOL Screename: IAmRachack (AddIM) MSN Passport/email: Rachack@futurecities.com and Anakin9000@yahoo.comHomepages:http://Kleins.100megsfree5.com and http://Rachack.tripod.comWebmaster of: http://www.torashashem.org and http://www.myhomeloancompany.com
-------- 10/29/2004 10:19:04 PM

TITLE: Mermelstein
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 10/23/2004 02:04:53 PM

From: margalit [mailto: margalittesler@skynet.be ]
Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 2:04 PM
To: rachack@futurecities.com
Subject: Mermelstein
I am also looking for information about reb moshe ben avrohom halevi mermelstein from Munkatch area.
maybe you could help with the Mermelstein family.
-------- 10/23/2004 02:04:53 PM

TITLE: family history of Klein
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 10/15/2004 01:42:02 PM

From: RC Klein
To: 'Rosensaft, Ezra (HBO)'
Subject: family history of Klein
Date: Fri 10/15/2004 12:42 PM
If you have the tree in .gno or .ged format, I can read it so you don't have to export it into PDF. My Rosh Yeshiva is the same way when it comes to Jewish history; officially he gives us a Jewish History class every other Sunday and whenever we have an in-shabbos. Let me do my tracing backwards(starting from me):
1. Reuven Chaim Klein
2. Mordechai Meir Klein
3. Reuven Chaim Klein
4. Morechai Klein
5. Binyomin Eliezer Klein
6. HaRav Reuven Chaim Klein (who wrote the Shenos Chaim which says in the sefer that he is a descendant of the RaMa and the TaZ. And the TaZ's father-in-law was the BaCH)
7. Binyomin Eliezer Ungar-Auerbach (and that's as far back as I know)
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-----Original Message-----
From: Rosensaft, Ezra (HBO) [mailto:Ezra.Rosensaft(at)hbo.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 4:34 AM
To: 'rachack@futurecities.com'
Subject: Re: family history of Klein

I'll export the tree into PDF shortly. Meanwhile, can you please tell me how
you trace yourself to the Bach similar to how I did below?
I learned in Shaarei Torah when Rabbi Wein was still there too. In fact,
every Thursday we had Jewish History class with him. He's incredible. We
would all sit there, mesmerized in part by the stories he would tell.
-----Original Message-----
From: R.C. Klein
To: 'Rosensaft, Ezra (HBO)'
Sent: Thu Oct 14 01:11:54 2004
Subject: RE: family history of Klein
I'm in Yeshiva Gedolah of Los Angeles. My father went to Shaarei Torah in
Monsey back when it was Rabbi Wein's yeshiva (I have read all of his books,
I love them!) Yes, I can read PDF files so please send it to me with the
more detailed version. And yes I know that R' Shlomo Carlebach married a
descendant of the Bach (I guess we used the same search engine?!)
=====
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-----Original Message-----
From: Rosensaft, Ezra (HBO) [mailto:Ezra.Rosensaft(at)hbo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 4:33 AM
To: 'rachack@futurecities.com'
Subject: Re: family history of Klein

Excellent.
Which yeshiva? I learned in Monsey (where I grew up) at Shaarei Torah before
heading off to college.
Can you read PDF files? I can export part of the tree in PDF format.
I'll try to write out the genealogy for now. Much of this comes orally from
what as told to each generation in my family.
1) Bach (Joel Sirkes)
2) Taz (son-in-law) married Rivka Sirkes
3) Yeshaya Segal OR Aryeh Segal (Shaagas Aryeh) (I'm not certain which son
is the grandfather--still researching).
4) Sorah Segal marries ------? (Last names weren't so common back then, and
it seems to have ben forgotten along with the husband name)
5) Dovid -----?
6) Rivkah -----?
7) R' Avrohom of Bialowierza (Poland)
8) R' Yitzchak of Bialowierza (Poland)
9) Ezra Steinmetz
10) Chaya Weissa Steinmetz marries Moshe Tzik
11) Gitel Tzik marries Yitzchak Yaakov Farkas
12) Rav Avrohom Farkas
13) Tzivia Farkas marries Michael Rosensaft
14) Ezra Rosensaft
I also have dates for most people, but it would be easier in the PDF format.

Please let me know your family history as well. By the way, did you know
that R' Shlomo Carlebach married a descendant of the Bach?
Ezra
-----Original Message-----
From: R.C. Klein
To: 'Rosensaft, Ezra (HBO)'
Sent: Wed Oct 13 00:50:26 2004
Subject: RE: family history of Klein
yes please, I would like to know more... (Don't be alarmed if it takes me a
while to reply sometimes because I live in my yeshiva's dorm during the
week, and come home on weekends to my computer)
=====
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President of Kleins' Web Designs
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Webmaster of: http://www.torashashem.org and
http://www.myhomeloancompany.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Rosensaft, Ezra (HBO) [mailto:Ezra.Rosensaft(at)hbo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 11:28 AM
To: 'Rachack@futurecities.com'
Subject: family history of Klein

Hi. I saw on your website family history that you are related to the Bach
and TAZ. I too am related to these rabbis. I can trace back, with fair
detail to the Bach (R' Joel Sirkes).
I'm happy to share with you our family tree, but please reply so I know your
email address works.
- Ezra Rosensaft
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-------- 10/15/2004 01:42:02 PM

TITLE: Re: Eshel HaGedolim
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 9/25/2004 01:09:58 PM

From: Zahava Smth [zahava@familysmith.org.uk]
To: Rachack
Date: Sat 9/25/2004 1:09 PM
Subject: Eshel HaGedolim

Thanks you for your reply, your web site family tree does not work. Your father etc.. comes from the daughter of Reb Elimelech? Do you know which daughter, what her name was?

Wishing you a good year.

From: R.C. Klein
Sent: 24 September 2004 16:45
To: Zahava Smth
Subject: RE: Eshel HaGedolim

I have the sefer in my house, but I never though of looking for information about the Noam Elimelech in it. I know that I am a descendant of the Noam Elimelech through my father's father's mother but I have no other information. I will IY"H look it up over Shabbos/Yom Kippur and will Bli Neder write you back what I find. In the mean time, you can look at my website and see if there is some information that you are looking for:
http://Kleins.100megsfree5.com

=====
Reuven Chaim Klein President of Kleins' Web Designs
AIM/AOL Screename: IAmRachack (AddIM)
Homepages: http://Kleins.100megsfree5.com and http://Rachack.tripod.comWebmaster of: http://www.torashashem.org and http://www.myhomeloancompany.com
-------- 9/25/2004 01:09:58 PM

TITLE: Eshel HaGedolim
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 9/21/2004 11:58:19 AM

From: Zahava Smth [zahava@familysmith.org.uk]
To: Rachack
Date: Tue 9/21/2004 11:58 AM
Subject: Eshel HaGedolim

Hi, I have been looking for the Sefer Eshel HaGedolim written (I believe) by Rav Elazar GARTENHAUS.
In my search I came across your website.
I am looking for more information on the children and ancestors of Reb Elimelech of Lizhensk.
Do you have a copy of this sefer? Do you know if it is written anything regarding what I am looking for?
Many thanks for any help you can give me.
Wishing you a Gut Gebentshed Year.
Yossi Smith.
-------- 9/21/2004 11:58:19 AM

TITLE: Question - I just looked at your website
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 8/23/2004 12:45:47 PM

From: Deborah Glassman [dgg2020@comcast.net]
To: RCK
Subject: Question - I just looked at your website
Date: Mon 8/23/2004 12:45 PM

Hi again Reuven!
First, I should have looked at your website before responding I didn't
notice the link until I was sending my answer. If I had, then I would have
realized how much work you had already done and not have given so much
advice, you have done a great deal.
But now that I've looked, I have some questions. The Reuven Chaim Klein who
is the author of one of the books called Shenot Chaim was living in 1860. He
is said in Otzar haRabbonim to be the father of Zvi Dov who in turn is the
father of another Reuven Chaim Klein. That younger Reuven Chaim perished in
the Holocaust, was the son-in-law of Isaia Steiner, and was himself the
author of another book Mateh Reuven. (And there is another Reuven Chaim
mentioned, Reuven Chaim Alexander who also died in the Holocaust.)
So is your Reuven Chaim a different one? And if not can you help me
understand?
Thanks for taking the time,
Deborah Glassman

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TITLE: re: ReMa
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 8/23/2004 12:32:32 PM

From: Deborah Glassman [dgg2020@comcast.net]
To: RCK
Date: Mon 8/23/2004 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: ReMa

Hello Reuven
I have my family's descent from the REMA documented and I have looked at
different parts of the puzzle, trying to solve confusions that have arisen.
I do not have an inclusive family tree of the REMA. However the respected
Neil Rosenstein who wrote the book "Unbroken Chain" documenting many
families descent from the Katzenellenbogens has just written a book that is
called the Lurie Legacy and Chapter Nine is all about the descendants of
Moses Isserles (whose grandmother Dreisel was the daughter of the Luria
family. ) I have not yet seen the book and I do not know if the Kleins are
included.
Now separately, I have some suggestions.
Work from the known to the unknown. Your namesake had good reason for
his claim, so even if he does not appear in a genealogy, it does not reflect
on him. Missing siblings, new cousins, whole lines of which we were
previously unaware, show up all the time in genealogy. But if you forget for
the moment, his joy and pride in his heritage and trace his genealogy for
his own value, you may find many things of interest to you. Reuven Chaim
Klein, if an author of some modesty, might well have cited his most
illustrious ancestor and have left off others that men with lesser claims
would have bragged of. So again work backwards. Do you have a copy of his
book? It is the only one cited in Otzar haRabbonim under his name, so he
must have put a great deal of effort into it. Somewhere in its pages he may
have named his father, grandfather, teachers, etc. Most books of limited
availability can be purchased on microfilm, I have frequently found that is
the best way to own a book only available in great library collections.
After you have examined the book, go on to the actual records of his life.
Check online info about the town where he was rabbi. You might find info on
the cemetery where he was buried includes online transcripts of the
gravestones, or pictures. The revision lists for Russian towns are set up in
family units and they tell you where the person was settled previously. You
have to travel three hundred years to get from the Shenot Chaim to the REMA,
two hundred to the TAZ. Take it one generation at a time and you will find
more connections to those same people, and you will also find that people of
noted ancestors were welcomed into families with other noted forbears.
My next suggestion is to search whole families. Look at each person's
siblings and mahatunim. A brother-in-law who seems not to be of interest to
you, might have cited your ancestor with name and patrynomic. He might refer
to somebody by a book name of which you were previously unaware. In the
Russian civil records that are starting to become available we often find
people living in the home of an uncle, a father-in-law, or a brother-in-law.
And finally - Search by jurisdiction. If you know where someone went to
school, then you know a jurisdiction in which they lived - they might have
needed a police permit, they might have needed community support, they might
have received smicha from a particular scholar. Every place is in multiple
jurisdictions and different records are created in each.
You wrote me a short direct note and I gave a long, roundabout response. I
hope it helps, though.
Good Luck.
Deborah Glassman

-------- 8/23/2004 12:32:32 PM

TITLE: ReMa
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 8/23/2004 11:29:15 AM

Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 11:29:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: "RCK" anakin9000@yahoo.com
Subject: ReMa
To: dgg2020@comcast.net

You said that u have a family tree of the ReMa. I have
a question for you. My great-great-great grandfather
was Rav Reuven Chaim Klein and he wrote a sefer called
"Shenos Chaim." In the sefer it says that he is a
descendant of the ReMa and TaZ, so you know anytning
about that?
=====
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=====
Reuven Chaim Klein
Head Webmaster
http://kleins.100megsfree5.com

-------- 8/23/2004 11:29:15 AM

TITLE: 14-generation ISSERLES tree
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 8/18/2004 10:28:49 AM

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Subject: 14-generation ISSERLES tree
From: "Deborah Glassman" <dgg2020@comcast.net>
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 12:31:48 -0400
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The source for generations 1 through 8 is "Otzar haGedolim"; burials
mentioned for Krakow are from Balaban; the descendants of those from
generation 9 are from Otzar haRabbanim
1. Rabbi Israel of Krems (14th century) author of HaGahot Asheri.
The story of Unetanna Tokef that we relate at Rosh HaShana with the
martyrdom of Amnon of Mainz was passed on through him and attributed
by him to Isaac of Vienna's Or Zarua.
2. Haim of Henborg
3. Rabbi Petatiah ASHKENAZI (13__-died by 1405) m. sister of Rabbi
Aaron BLUMLEIN(d.1421). Aaron's father is not known but he took his
surname from his mother's name, Blumel or Plumel. Petatiah died
while his son was a minor. Petatiah's wife and her brother were
murdered March 12, 1421 in Neustadt. Aaron BLUMLEIN is also
described as one of the martyrs burned at Enns.
4. Rabbi Israel ISSERLIN II aka Israel MARBURGER (1390-1460) m.
Shandelin niece of Rabbi Sholom of Wiener-Neustat (he fl 1380) who
was the son of Rabbi Isaac Zakel who was the son of Rabbi Judah Katz
of Vienna. Judah Katz is said to be the son-in-law of Rabenu Sholom
the maternal grandson of Rabbi Baruch of Rothenburg.
Israel ISSERLIN is the subject of an English language biography in
Jewish Encyclopedia (see jewishencyclopedia.com). He was author of
Trumat haDarshan. He is thought to have been born at Regensburg,
educated in Neustadt at Aaron BLUMLEIN's Yeshiva, moved to Northern
Italy then to Marburg in Austria's Styria where he was the leading
rabbi from 1427. In 1440s he returned to Neustadt where he lived
until his death in 1460s. He refers to his great-grandfather Israel
of Krems, his father Petatiah, his uncle Aaron BLUMLEIN ha Kadosh,
in his writings. He wrote over 250 responsa and was considered the
preeminent authority of his day.
5. Haim sometimes called Haim of Henborg II. See Note for Petatiah
GOLDMAN
6. Petatiah GOLDMAN also called Kokel Goldman (1480s)
This is a note from the writer of this email, Deborah Glassman, not
to be blamed on any other source - but it would seem to be worth
confirming that Haim of Henborg and Petatiah Goldman were two
separate people. Israel ISSERLIN, the Trumat Darshan, lost his father
when he was a child. It would be expected that he named his first
son for that father Petatiah. The name of a man who died before he
was forty was in the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries (not
stating that this was necessarily so in the fifteenth century)
modified before giving it to an infant. Haim Petatiah would be one
of the typical forms found in later years. An original document with
both persons mentioned, or Petatiah mentioned after Haim is
described as deceased would be conclusive. Petatiah does not appear
in the cemetery in Krakow where his son's family is buried. Petatiah
is said to be named GOLDMAN from the name of his wife, mother, or
mother-in-law. If he is identical to Haim son of Israel ISSERLIN,
then his mother would be Shandelin, but his wife and mother-in-law
still unaccounted for.
7. Joseph (sometimes written Joseph ISSERLIN) m.Gittel AUERBACH (she
d. 1552, buried Krakow) daughter of Moshe AUERBACH-ISERLIN and of
Moshe AUERBACH's wife Mushkat daughter of Israel ISERLIN (presumed
to be Israel ISSERLIN the Trumat Darshan). Moshe AUERBACH is said to
be the son of Tevele aka David a nephew of Rabbi Sholom of Vienna
(it is not clear in my notes if the note re Tevele is from Otzar
Gedolim)
8. Israel aka Isserl Lazars aka Israel ISSERLIN (1490s-died 1553,
buried Krakow) m. Dina Malka Shrentzels called Malka (d.1552 buried
Krakow) daughter of Eliezer Shrentzels and Drusila/Dreisel Luria -
Dreisel d.1560 Krakow). Israel was a leading banker and merchant and
he built the synagogue called for his son the REMA synagogue.
[Had children including Moses ISSERLES, Isaac Bogatym,
Eliezer ISSERLES, Miriam Bella who married Pinchas HOROWITZ].
9. Rabbi Moshe ISSERLES 1520-1572
m1. Golda bat Shalom Shakna of Lublin (her dates 1532-1552,
buried Krakow cemetery)
m2. dtr of Mordechai Gershon Katz her father called Gershon,
her brother Joseph author of Sherit Yosef is frequently referred to
as Moses' brother-in-law.
10. Dreisel (Drusila) 1562-1602 m. Simha Bunem MEISELS (d.1624) The
Dreisel who is buried in Krakow Cemetery 1560 is Moses ISSERLES's
grandmother, not his daughter as sometimes attributed.
Dreisel bat Moshe ISSERLES is clearly the daughter of Ms. Katz, as
Moshe's first wife pre-deceased Dreisel's namesake great-grandmother
11. Rabbi Isaac Rabbi Bunems (died in Pinsk?) m. Miss ___ MEISELS
bat Abraham b. Joseph MEISELS (Abraham died Heshvan 1600) His wife
was also a MEISELS, daughter of Labe MEISELS
12. Rabbi Benjamin Wolf MEISELS aka Rabbi Wolf VILNER brother of
Moshe The Mahardura Batra
13.Yentil Leah MEISELS m. Rabbi Shabatei Kohen haSHiK (1621-1662)
Shabatei's children referenced in Otzar haRabanim: (The names of
the daughters are from other sources)
a daughter Tuba who married Rabbi David KATBEN(she died Nisan
1717 in Zolkiew)
a daughter or sister who married Rabbi Isaac Kohen of the
EISENSTADT family, no surname used (the father of Meir, Pnei Meor),
[in Daat Kedoshim she is called Esther sister of Shabatei]. She is
Isaac EISENSTADT's 2nd wife, married in 1656 Vienna. If she is in
fact the daughter of Shabatei, she is also attriobuted with the
following marriage:
a daughter Esther who married Menahem Meinish CHAIT. The CHAITs
had a daughter who married Pinchas who in turn was the father-in-law
of Rabbi Hananiah Lipman MEISELS
a daughter Yochaved who married Rabbi Aaron MAGOZ-ZVI
a son Rabbi Moshe KATZ who married ITTINGER
Hope this helps.
Deborah Glassman
Elkins Park PA
Researching the rabbinical lines of Khmelnik including all of the
Avrum Dovs of Khmelnik, Yakov Yisrael HALPRIN of Khmelnik, Abraham
Isaac SOLOMON of Khmelnik; Shlomo Meir Tucker of Kovno guberniya;
Rabbi Avrum David ZABARSKA aka TRATSCHER of Ostropol; Rabbi Gedaliah
of Linetz.
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TITLE: re: Noam Elimelech
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 8/17/2004 01:27:53 PM

From:"moishe@langsam.com"
Subject: Re: [ravsig] Noam Elimelech
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 13:27:37 -0400

The only definate connection between ECKSTEIN and the
Rebbbe R' Mylech that I know of was via the Rebbe's sister.
Her daughter (the Rebbe's niece) married Pesach Langsam.
Thet had several children including a girl that married an
ECKSTEIN and lived in Bilka. You can see more on this
branch on my website. The specific page you are interested
in is within the site at:
http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/eckstein/eckstein.htm
-Moishe Miller
Brooklyn NY
moishe@langsam.com
PS: Contact Asher Bar-Zev (don't know his email). He has a
large WEISSBLOOM tree.

-------- 8/17/2004 01:27:53 PM

TITLE: Noam Elimelech
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 8/16/2004 01:17:02 PM

Date:Mon, 16 Aug 2004 13:17:27 -0700 (PDT)
From:"R.C. Klein"
Subject: Noam Elimelech
To: jrapp@sunyopt.edu, ravsig@lyris.jewishgen.org, jewishgen@lyris.jewishgen.org
My great-grandmother was Chaya Zlata Freidman (Herfather was Eliezer Freidman) and she married mygreat-grandfather Mordechai Klein and afterwards shemarried Shlomo Mermelstein. Chaya Zlata was known tobe a descendant of the Noam Elimelech from her mother,Devorah Eckstein. My question is whether someone canexplain to me this "known" link between the Ecksteinfamily and my gg-grandmother Devorah Eckstein and howI can get in touch with more relatives who are alsofrom the Noam Elimelech?
-------- 8/16/2004 01:17:02 PM

TITLE: R. Klein
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 7/8/2004 03:57:21 AM

From: Afina Broekman [ afinab@hotmail.com ]
To: RC KLEIN
Subject: R. Klein
Date: Thu 7/8/2004 3:57 AM

Reuven,
http://aad.archives.gov/aad/series_description.jsp?series_id=3360&coll_id=null
has information on people who enlisted in WW2. There was 1 Rudolph Klein
from NYC. Click on the Select Button, and fill in the search form. There
are also instructions on how to get the records some where on the NARA site.
Afina
R.C. Klein wrote:
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> Thanks to some people on JewishGen, I have found an article about my
> grandfather, Reuven Chaim KLEIN (Rudolph KLEIN) from June 23, 1941 in
> the New York Times. It says that he was arrested three times since the
> German invasion of Austria and he was released by the Gestapo "becuase
> he was employed by the Jewish Agency for Palestine in Veinna and his
> services were needed." Where can I find more information about his
> involvement in this Zionist Organization and about his arresting and
> releasing from jail? The article also stated that my grandfather had
> a brother fighting with the British Army in Palestine, where can I find
> information about that?(Including a name of this brother whom I didn't
> even know existed!) It also said that my grandfather joined the US Army,
> is there any easy way of obtaining his Army records and other vital
> information about him which I
> lack?
>
> Thank You,
> Reuven Chaim Klein
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-------- 7/8/2004 03:57:21 AM

TITLE: MSN Convo with my uncle
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 7/3/2004 11:48:03 PM

Yossi Klein says:
Are you sure this is my father? I had thought that he had come earlier tjan 1939 and I had never heard about his being arrested or having anything to do with Vienna.
Reuven Chaim Klein says:
go to http://kleins.100megsfree5.com
Reuven Chaim Klein says:
and click on pictures
Yossi Klein says:
impressive!!
Reuven Chaim Klein says:
*finally did something to impress his uncle*
Reuven Chaim Klein says:

Reuven Chaim Klein says:
I just got loads of emails about him
Reuven Chaim Klein says:
they will be inputted into the site 2morrow IY"H
Reuven Chaim Klein says:
and I made a siyum on Brachos today
Yossi Klein says:
Now is there something in those pictures that clearly establishes a link between the NY Times article and my father?
Reuven Chaim Klein says:
yes...
Reuven Chaim Klein says:
the POSTCARD
Reuven Chaim Klein says:
?
Yossi Klein says:
It flew by too fast the first time, but yes, it's all there.
Reuven Chaim Klein says:
'
Yossi Klein says:
At one point, we actaully a real copy of a NY Times article about my father, was this the article?
Reuven Chaim Klein says:
yup
Yossi Klein says:
Does your father still have the original in a safe box?
Reuven Chaim Klein says:
i dont think so
Reuven Chaim Klein says:
did my father tell u about the lady in EY?
Yossi Klein says:
Mrs Beinhorn?
Reuven Chaim Klein says:
ya
Yossi Klein says:
He told me that you had established inital contact and would hope to get together with her family next summer.
Yossi Klein says:
Mazal Tov on the Siyum. I don't do too many of those.
Reuven Chaim Klein says:
you should
Reuven Chaim Klein says:
did u ever speak to this lady?
Yossi Klein says:
I didn't say I don't learn; I just don't like making Siyumim. Nope I never spoke to her- Im anti-social
Reuven Chaim Klein says:
was that last line going on not making siyumim or the beinhorn or both?
Yossi Klein says:
actually it was going on Beinhorn, but I guess it could apply to both.
Yossi Klein says:
marriage is spelled wrong on your home page.
Reuven Chaim Klein says:
wtvr
Reuven Chaim Klein says:
r u on jewishgen.org?
Yossi Klein says:
no
Reuven Chaim Klein says:
o
Reuven Chaim Klein says:
ok
Reuven Chaim Klein says:
is that all?
Yossi Klein says:
I'm looking at the archives...
Reuven Chaim Klein says:
add webmaster@myhomeloan.com to ur MSN list
Reuven Chaim Klein says:
its my father
Reuven Chaim Klein says:
there will be more to the archives add 2morrow
Reuven Chaim Klein says:
as well as a search engine
Reuven Chaim Klein says:
webmaster@myhomeloancompany.com *
Yossi Klein says:
oh that's who myhomeloan.com is!!! I saw that he added me to his MSN list, but I thought it was some spammer.
Reuven Chaim Klein says:

Reuven Chaim Klein says:
we have a spammerish website

Michael has been added to the conversation.

Reuven Chaim Klein says:
now all 3 of us are on here:
Yossi Klein says:
yup. There's no way I could have known it was him. He's been added and unblocked.
Michael says:
this is me mikw
Reuven Chaim Klein says:
mike*
Michael says:
dad
Yossi Klein says:
'w' is next to 'e' on the keyboard - I understood
Michael says:
Yossi,
Michael says:
Happy Boirthday to u
Yossi Klein says:
nice picture of you in MSN (although you look a little blue). I think ypu've confused me with America
Reuven Chaim Klein says:
huh?
Michael says:
What are you talking about? And Did you see the article about Daddy that Rudy tracked down?
Yossi Klein says:
The picture of you on MSN and yes he showed me the article. We had the original at some point - do you know where it is?
Michael says:
not really
Yossi Klein says:
Also, Rudy, I have son named Reuven Chaim who is missing from the family tree. We had the article in a safe box,
Reuven Chaim Klein says:
actually, he is on the family tree
Michael says:
I have to get more organized it might be in N.Y.
Yossi Klein says:
I clicked on Debra's name and there were only 3 children listed - the girls.
Michael says:
Rudy are u catching this?
Reuven Chaim Klein says:
i see it
Reuven Chaim Klein says:
it's a mistake
Reuven Chaim Klein says:
it has Reuven as a son of ursa from another wife
Yossi Klein says:
Oh, I got it now. When I clicked on my name, I see he's a child from my first marriage
Reuven Chaim Klein says:
LOL
Reuven Chaim Klein says:
*shifty eyes*
Michael says:
you guys are high on something?
Reuven Chaim Klein says:
ill fix it on my personal tree
Reuven Chaim Klein says:
but it wil be uploaded some other time
Yossi Klein says:
High on the family tree
Michael says:
ha.
Reuven Chaim Klein says:
high of off love
Yossi Klein says:
Do you want Debra's parents and sibling info?
Michael says:
How was Shabbos?
Reuven Chaim Klein says:
sure man
Reuven Chaim Klein says:
B"H
Reuven Chaim Klein says:
sure dude*
Yossi Klein says:
Debra's parents are: David Hornestay and Esther (Berman) Hornestay
Michael says:
huh?
Michael says:
oh you are talking to Reuven
Yossi Klein says:
Shabbos was nice. I gave the Daf Yomi (like I'll being doing all summer), L'Ilui Neshmas and threw some cake in for good measure.
Michael says:
I mean Rudy
Yossi Klein says:
Debra's siblings are Lisa and Shari. Do you want their married names, their husbands' names and their children or is that going too far?
Reuven Chaim Klein says:
too far
Reuven Chaim Klein says:
no space on the tree
Yossi Klein says:
married names?
Michael says:
I am going to sleep good night
Reuven Chaim Klein says:
G'night daddy
Yossi Klein says:
sound good maybe I'll go to sleep too. G'nite
Reuven Chaim Klein says:
so ur learning Bechoros?
Michael says:
good night son good job on the siyum
Yossi Klein says:
uh uh. Bchoros and Brochos may sound the same, but believe me they're not.

Michael has left the conversation.

Reuven Chaim Klein says:
B'choros is too "lumdish"
Reuven Chaim Klein says:
Brochos is my kind of stuff (more agadata-ish(
Yossi Klein says:
Isn't my spouse supposed to show up with her maiden name (Hornestay)?
Reuven Chaim Klein says:
yup
Reuven Chaim Klein says:
but someone didn' know it
Yossi Klein says:
I love the tough Gemaras; I call it "brain candy"
Reuven Chaim Klein says:
and it was before I started doing ??? when i don't know
Reuven Chaim Klein says:
they compare Gemara to food in KBY?
Reuven Chaim Klein says:
or only you?
Reuven Chaim Klein says:

Yossi Klein says:
No - I made up the term when Gemaras are fun and challenging.
Reuven Chaim Klein says:
i had a fun difference in loshonos between an Aruch L'Ner on Yevamos and a Kol Eliyahu on Brachos
Reuven Chaim Klein says:
that was my dvar torah
Reuven Chaim Klein says:
at the siyum
Yossi Klein says:
Devorah Hornestay is not married to Meir Kuttner.
Reuven Chaim Klein says:
(Aruch L'ner's Grand-nephew goes to my shul)
Yossi Klein says:
and... Devorah Hornestay and Debra Klein are the same person.
Reuven Chaim Klein says:
?
Reuven Chaim Klein says:
so what was Devora wife of Meir Kuttner's last name?:
Yossi Klein says:
Good question - but it wasn't Hornestay that's (my) Debra's maiden name.
Reuven Chaim Klein says:
I'm so stupid: http://kleins.100megsfree5.com/2004/03/family-tree-comments.html
Reuven Chaim Klein says:
.
Yossi Klein says:
I don't have to click on that link. I'm assuming that it contains the letter in which I already corrected your mistakes.
Reuven Chaim Klein says:
and i looked at it the wrong way
Reuven Chaim Klein says:
I thought u meant that last name for the other devora on my tree
Reuven Chaim Klein says:
(four months ago) -------- 7/3/2004 11:48:03 PM

TITLE: a soldier
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 7/3/2004 09:52:14 AM

----- Original Message -----
From: ENZOFALCO@aol.com
To: rachack@futurecities.com
Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2004 3:58 AM
Subject: a soldier

Subject: a soldier
From: "R.C. Klein"
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 16:13:52 -0700
X-Message-Number: 14

http://kleins.100megsfree5.com/pictures/rck1.jpg

A US Army uniform, summer khaki, used at least in the 40s and 50s. No stripes on the upper sleeve and apparently no metal bars on either left or right collar meant that he was a Private, the lowest enlisted rank. Usually this is the entry level.
-------- 7/3/2004 09:52:14 AM

TITLE: a soldier
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 7/2/2004 09:50:37 AM

----- Original Message -----
From: MSpector@aol.com
To: rachack@futurecities.com
Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2004 12:47 AM
Subject: (no subject)

The picture is probably taken in the south based on The Piggly Store behind and the summer US Army uniform. The uniform is devoid of any rank or insignia. I am assuming he was in basic training at the time. He was probably in the initial draft as the post card was dated June 1941 (pre-Pearl Harbor). It is also postmarked Fort Dix which was a major basic training facility.

During the period between the wars, Camp Dix was a training facility for active Army, Army Reserve and National Guard units. The Citizensâ€™ Military Training Camp conducted summer training under the 1st, 77th, 78th and 99th Infantry Divisions. From 1933-1941, Camp Dix was also a reception, training and discharge center for the Civilian Conservation Corps. On 8 March 1939, Camp Dix became Fort Dix as the installation became a permanent Army post. Fort Dix served as a reception and training center for men inducted under the draft of 1939. Ten divisions and many smaller units trained and staged here before entering the battlefields of World War II. At the end of the war, the reception center became the separation center, returning more than 1.2 million soldiers to civilian life.

Good Luck,
Morris Spector

-------- 7/2/2004 09:50:37 AM

TITLE: a soldier
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 7/2/2004 09:47:10 AM

----- Original Message -----
From: R.C. Klein
To: JewishGen Discussion Group
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 4:13 PM
Subject: a soldier

I have an old postcard with a 'notification' from the "Dorothy Rieman
Clipping Bureau" dated June 26, 1941 claiming that it has some intresting
article about my grandfather, Private Rudolph Klein (Reuven Chaim KLEIN) who
was stationed in Fort Dix, NJ, in a New York City Newspaper. Can someone get
hold of this for me or find me more information about my grandfather?

One side of the postcard: http://kleins.100megsfree5.com/pictures/rck2.jpg
The other side of the postcard:
http://kleins.100megsfree5.com/pictures/rck3.jpg

Also, This is a picture of my grandfather in his army uniform at some
unknown place, will some be able to tell me where this is, what country
uniform he is wearing, what is his rank in the picture and if possible, what
year this picture was probably taken?
http://kleins.100megsfree5.com/pictures/rck1.jpg

Any help or suggestions on where I can get some answer would be greatly
appreciated.

Thanks,

=====
Reuven Chaim Klein
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-------- 7/2/2004 09:47:10 AM

TITLE: Re: Family Tree of the Jewish People: Zvi Dov KLEIN
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 6/20/2004 09:42:25 PM

Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 09:04:52 -0400
From: Meyer
To: "R.C. Klein"
Subject: Re: Family Tree of the Jewish People: Zvi Dov KLEIN
apfeldorf er
yes

"R.C. Klein" wrote:

> I spoke to R' Akiva Schlussel (he has two grandsons in my yeshiva and in
fact that siyum this year was dedicated by him in honor of his wife) and he
said he will do a little research and I should get back to him next week.
Thanks for helping me out over here.
>
> By the way, I'm not sure if you got the email below. Also, how do you spell
Apipildofer(sp)?
>
> =====
> Reuven Chaim Klein
> AIM/AOL Screename: IAmRachack (Add|IM)
> MSN Passport/email: Rachack@futurecities.com and Anakin9000@yahoo.com
> Homepages: http://Kleins.100megsfree5.com and http://Rachack.tripod.com
> Webmaster of: http://www.torashashem.org and
http://www.myhomeloancompany.com
> "The dead know nothing and the alive know that they will die." (Berachos
18a)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: R.C. Klein
> To: Meyer
> Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 4:36 PM
> Subject: Re: Family Tree of the Jewish People: Zvi Dov KLEIN
>
>
> >>the shnos chaim must have been printed ..??10-14 years ago
> >>by suri beinhorn nee klein dtr of tova
> >>she only lists names of deceased so you dont have the living 3 sisters
> >>miriam, suri & guli
> >>she also wrote in hebrew[ghost] a autobiog of muunkatc and auchwitz
> Good to know. Where can I read this autobiography?
>
> >>>> Do you have a family tree of your own that you can email me?
> >>not electronic, ask rosenshein
> All right, I just met that guy on JewishGen.org on motzei shabbos so I
havent had a chance to email him much
>
> >>>there was a Klein
> >>he was a manager/something many years ago in Munkatch yeshiva brooklyn
> >>his son had a ambulance company
> ok, I know nothing about this.
>
> >>my father ztl has nephews from his other sister, faygie schlussel.
> >>r'akiva schlussel and kids,
> >> his wife blimie was niftar a month ago
> This doesn't happen to be R' Akiva Eiger Schlussel who lives in Los
Angeles does it? I know he is a munkatcher.
>
> >>how can i print the stuff u sent?? full page
> print it like a normal picture on your computer
>
> >>my daughter will be in camp YACHAD in la, shabaton aug 6-8
> I'm too young for that kind of stuff
>
>
> =====
> Reuven Chaim Klein
> AIM/AOL Screename: IAmRachack (Add|IM)
> MSN Passport/email: Rachack@futurecities.com and Anakin9000@yahoo.com
> Homepages: http://Kleins.100megsfree5.com and http://Rachack.tripod.com
> Webmaster of: http://www.torashashem.org and
http://www.myhomeloancompany.com
> "The dead know nothing and the alive know that they will die." (Berachos
18a)

-------- 6/20/2004 09:42:25 PM

TITLE: RE: Shenos Chaim
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 6/20/2004 09:41:20 PM

Subject: RE: Shenos Chaim
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 11:39:50 +0200
From:
To: "R.C. Klein"
Shalom reb reuven,

Thank you very much for Email.
Please send us your address and tel. so we can contact you. Please write us also who is your father and grandfather, so we can complete the information of the family tree.

chodesh tov,

moishe goldmunz

-----Original Message-----
From: R.C. Klein [mailto:rachack@futurecities.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 8:52 AM
To: ×ž×©×" ×'×•×œ×"×ž×™× ×¥
Subject: Shenos Chaim

Hi, I am a descendant of the Shenos Chaim (R' Reuven Chaim Klein) and would like to know more about my family. I was directed to email you as you are the son-in-law of the lady who sponsored the printing of the Shenos Chaim about 15 years ago. (Chaya Sara Beinhorn). Please email me back, I would like to see a family tree and everything.

Kol Tuv,

=====
Reuven Chaim Klein
AIM/AOL Screename: IAmRachack (Add|IM)
MSN Passport/email: Rachack@futurecities.com and Anakin9000@yahoo.com
Homepages: http://Kleins.100megsfree5.com and http://Rachack.tripod.com
Webmaster of: http://www.torashashem.org and http://www.myhomeloancompany.com
"The dead know nothing and the alive know that they will die." (Berachos 18a)
-------- 6/20/2004 09:41:20 PM

TITLE: Spira, Langsam
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 6/18/2004 09:38:59 PM

From: "Howard Reich"
To: "R.C. Klein"
Subject: RE: Spira, Langsam
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:54:27 -0500
A gut shabbos and a gut chodesh to you too!
-----Original Message-----
From: R.C. Klein [mailto:rachack@futurecities.com]
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 6:46 PM
To: Howard Reich
Subject: Re: Spira, Langsam

I spoke to moishe@langsam.com about this approximately 4 months ago, but thanks anyways. Gut Shabbos and a gutten chodesh.

Thanks,

=====
Reuven Chaim Klein
AIM/AOL Screename: IAmRachack (Add|IM)
MSN Passport/email: Rachack@futurecities.com and Anakin9000@yahoo.com
Homepages: http://Kleins.100megsfree5.com and http://Rachack.tripod.com
Webmaster of: http://www.torashashem.org and http://www.myhomeloancompany.com
"The dead know nothing and the alive know that they will die." (Berachos 18a)

----- Original Message -----
From: Howard Reich
To: rachack@futurecities.com
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 8:31 AM
Subject: Spira, Langsam

I saw your note posted to ravsig.

For Spira, Langsam, including reference to Naphtali Seidenfeld, I am sure that you have seen it, but just in case, look at:

http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/spira/hm-outln.htm -------- 6/18/2004 09:38:59 PM

TITLE: Family
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 6/18/2004 09:29:01 PM

Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 12:05:39 -0400
From: "Mark W. Greenberger"
Subject: Family
To: rachack@futurecities.com
Let me introduce myself. My name is Meir Zev Greenberger and although I
knew that I was connected to one part of the Klein family (my mother's
aunt was Moshe Ezriel's Klein first wive), I just found out while I was
sitting shiva for my father, that his (my fathers) grandfather Moshe
Greenberger, son of Tzvi Dov Greenberger, had two sisters, Maryam and
Zisi. This Maryam Greenberger married Reven Chaim Klein, who wrote the
sefer Shnos Chaim. So now I am related to most of the Kleins through my
fathers side also.
I was given a family tree printout three weeks ago which I am still
trying to get through, but from what I have seen already it disagrees
with some of the information on the web site. (If I am reading it
correctly).
Do you a a simple descendants tree of the this Reven Chaim Klein &
Maryam Greenberger, so that I can compare the information that I was given?
BTW, where do you live? I live in Flatbush.
Have a Gut Shabbos.
Volvie

-------- 6/18/2004 09:29:01 PM

TITLE: Spira, Langsam
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 6/18/2004 09:27:42 PM

From: "Howard Reich"
To:
Subject: Spira, Langsam
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 10:31:34 -0500
I saw your note posted to ravsig.

For Spira, Langsam, including reference to Naphtali Seidenfeld, I am sure that you have seen it, but just in case, look at:

http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/spira/hm-outln.htm -------- 6/18/2004 09:27:42 PM

TITLE: Spira, Langsam
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 6/18/2004 09:27:30 PM

From: "Howard Reich"
To:
Subject: Spira, Langsam
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 10:31:34 -0500
I saw your note posted to ravsig.

For Spira, Langsam, including reference to Naphtali Seidenfeld, I am sure that you have seen it, but just in case, look at:

http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/spira/hm-outln.htm -------- 6/18/2004 09:27:30 PM

TITLE: Gravestones
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 6/18/2004 09:24:35 PM

Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 09:01:56 +0200
Subject: Gravestones
From: Bacskai S=?ISO-8859-1?B?4Q==?=ndor
To:

Dear Reuven Chaim Klein,

My name is Sandor Bacskai, I am a genealogical researcher and journalist.
I should reflect your letter just because found some names in my cemetery pictures. May be help you.

in Wien:
Rabbi Ruven Chaim ben Benyamin Eliezer Klein. He was the Rav of Davidkov, and author the Shenos Chaim (d. 1873).

in Munkacs:
Nisen ben Yakov Mermelstein (d. 1959)
Rivka, daughter of R Elimelech, and wife of Benyamin Zeev Mermelstein
R Reuven Chaim (no family name) ben Avraham Simche (d. 1920)
Tzvi Dov ben Reuven Chaim Klein. He was the president of the Machzike Tora in Munkacs. His son, Rabbi Reuven Chaim was the son-in-law of the admor of Kerestir, and later became to Rav of Szinna/Snina.
Chaya Sara, daughter of R Ezriel, and wife of Tzvi Dov Klein
Yeruhom ben Reuven Chaim Klein

in Szolyva/Svalyava:
Benjamin Eliezer ben Reuven Chajim Klein

Sincerelly,

Sandor Bacskai
Budapest, Hungary -------- 6/18/2004 09:24:35 PM

TITLE: Family Tree of the Jewish People: Zvi Dov KLEIN
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 6/16/2004 09:46:44 PM

Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 23:47:12 -0400
From: Nathan Rosenshein
Subject: Re: Family Tree of the Jewish People: Zvi Dov KLEIN
To: "R.C. Klein"

Thats pretty funny, given that HE is the apfeldorf.....but anyhow, I
will be glad to help you any way I can

My files are on ftm (family tree amker software) but only a small
minority of the
900 family members are connected to the appeldorfer/apfeld family.

So how do you want to handle this?

be well

nr

R.C. Klein wrote:

> This Meyer guy told me to tell ask you for a family tree. I will soon
> post all the convos I had recently on my website, which hasn't been
> updated in like 3 months until today.
>
>

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TITLE: RE: Family Tree of the Jewish People: Zvi Dov KLEIN
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 6/15/2004 09:45:42 PM

From: "Leah Kraus"
To: "'Reuven Chaim Klein'"
Subject: RE: Family Tree of the Jewish People: Zvi Dov KLEIN
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 08:56:04 +0300
Shalom
Sorry to upset but I know nothing about Zvi Dov KLEIN. He got married to an
Appeldorfer woman who was a descendent of the Weiser family. The family tree
was erected by old Mr. Appeldorfer I give you the e-mail address of his son
Meir; I have no connections with him and hope the address is still
available. May be he knows better.
apfeldorf@usa.net

Leah Kraus
Haifa, Israel

-----Original Message-----
From: Reuven Chaim Klein [mailto:rachack@futurecities.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 10:09 AM
To: kraus@techunix.technion.ac.il
Cc: JGFTJP@lyris.jewishgen.org
Subject: Family Tree of the Jewish People: Zvi Dov KLEIN

-------------------------------------------------------
>From : Reuven Chaim Klein rachack@futurecities.com
Remote Computer : 63.198.142.42
To : Leah Kraus, kraus@tx.technion.ac.il
Subject : Family Tree of the Jewish People: Zvi Dov KLEIN
=======================================================
Hello,
I am a descendant of a Klein family from Munkatch, Ukraine, the author of
the Shenos Chaim, of whom Zvi Dov Klein was descendant from. I would like
to see what research you have done on my family and if it is possible to
compare it to my own research.

Thank you for your time,
Reuven Chaim Klein
=======================================================
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-------- 6/15/2004 09:45:42 PM

TITLE: Family Tree of the Jewish People: Zvi Dov KLEIN
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 6/15/2004 09:44:31 PM

Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 19:27:41 -0400
From: Meyer
To: "R.C. Klein"
Subject: Re: Family Tree of the Jewish People: Zvi Dov KLEIN
ok

the shnos chaim must have been printed ..??10-14 years ago
by suri beinhorn nee klein dtr of tova

she only lists names of deceased so you dont have the living 3 sisters
miriam, suri & guli

she also wrote in hebrew[ghost] a autobiog of muunkatc and auchwitz

> Do you have a family tree of your own that you can email me?
not electronic, ask rosenshein

there was a Klein
he was a manager/something many years ago in Munkatch yeshiva brooklyn
his son had a ambulance company

my father ztl has nephews from his other sister, faygie schlussel.
r'akiva schlussel and kids,
his wife blimie was niftar a month ago

how can i print the stuff u sent?? full page

regards to all

my daughter will be in camp YACHAD in la, shabaton aug 6-8

-------- 6/15/2004 09:44:31 PM

TITLE: Family Tree of the Jewish People: Zvi Dov KLEIN
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 6/15/2004 09:43:47 PM

Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 19:02:45 -0400
From: Meyer
To: "R.C. Klein"
Subject: Re: Family Tree of the Jewish People: Zvi Dov KLEIN

THERE WAS a Kalisch, wife shoshi was an apfeldorfer
related to my father, bro-in -law

Naphtali Beinhorn, passed away awhile ago.

suri has a son in law moshe who has email moshe goldmintz

no! a nephew
Is this Chaim Yerucham the son of Tova and Tzvi Dov Klein? Again,

there was a klein a manager years ago in mnkatch, his son ?yossie had an
ambullete

chabad ??? Yeshiva Gedolah of Los Angeles
>

-------- 6/15/2004 09:43:47 PM

TITLE: Family Tree of the Jewish People: Zvi Dov KLEIN
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 6/15/2004 09:41:46 PM

Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 06:23:31 -0400
From: Meyer
To: "R.C. Klein"
Subject: Re: Family Tree of the Jewish People: Zvi Dov KLEIN

hanks for the quick response, i hope i will always have time to respond to u
2.

i will speak to suri-klein-beinhorn in israel re the relationship.
she reprinted inmemory of her husband naftali beinhorn, the sefer from rabenu
yerucham [i hear with all kinds of fears]

is "Shenos Chaim" avaliable, or do you hac\ve a scan of those last
"dedication, family pages??

chaim yeruchem klein, a cousin of the apfeldorf-beinhorn-kleins, so i assume
iof u have tobi klein, u are related some way

?? Yossi Klein who> lives in Eretz Yisroel
ever live in ny, write for newspapers??

there was aklein a manager years ago in mnkatch, son ?yossie had an ambullete
company

where do you live, what do u do, hows ur mishpoco

we have a relative, distant, Stegg, from veretzki??

also mordche steg was a very good person, no relation from veretzki, who saved
thousands in aushwitz.
he moved to paris in the '30s was caaught sent to cc and survived.
his son is the president of the french alliance israelette.
very interesting story.

whats the question??? How does your family relate to all of this?
>

dash

meyer

-------- 6/15/2004 09:41:46 PM

TITLE: Family Tree of the Jewish People: Zvi Dov KLEIN
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 6/14/2004 09:40:33 PM

Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 08:26:07 -0400
From: Meyer
To: "R.C. Klein"
Subject: Re: Family Tree of the Jewish People: Zvi Dov KLEIN
shalom!

Nathan Rosenshein wrote:

>
> Dear Meyer,
>
> Are you aware of this researcher- Reuven Chaim Klein?
>
> Perhaps you can be in touch with him and help him in his research...
>
> Zei gezunt
>
> NR
>
>
anyway,
tova apfeldorfer-klein was my aunt i never met.

she had a daughter miriam and guli, who i dont see o your site.

where did you get that spelling apipdorpf??

i knew yeruchem, if he was your uncle.

lets keep in contact

meyer
1718 338-1903
>
>
>
>
> R.C. Klein wrote:
>
> >I have tons of information on his family, he was a grandson of the Shenos
> >Chaim (Reuven Chaim Klein), if you look at my website,
> >http://kleins.100megsfree5.com it has information about Tzvi Dov's
children
> >and his parents families. I also have a little bit about the Appeldorfers
> >(they were a family of leviim, the father of Tova was Meir and his father
> >was Berish, am i correct?
> >
> >How can I contact this Meyer Appeldorfer, do you have an email address for
> >him?
> >
> >Kol Tuv,
> >Reuven Chaim Klein
> >
>
>
>
>
> >AIM/AOL Screename: IAmRachack (Add|IM) MSN
> >Passport/email: Rachack@futurecities.com and Anakin9000@yahoo.com
Homepages:
> >http://Kleins.100megsfree5.com and http://Rachack.tripod.com Webmaster of:
> >http://www.torashashem.org and http://www.myhomeloancompany.com
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Nathan Rosenshein"
> >To: "Reuven Chaim Klein"
> >Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 12:26 AM
> >Subject: Re: Family Tree of the Jewish People: Zvi Dov KLEIN
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>hello reb reuven,
> >>
> >>I am sorry, but it looks like there is not much information
> >>in my records.....
> >>
> >>Zvi Dov Klein was born abt 1898 and married my relative toba appeldorfer
> >>
> >>I have no record of his parents, nor have I any info on possible
> >>children....
> >>
> >>Toba was the daughter of Meyer Appeldorfer and Frimeth Weiser.
> >>I have a lot of info on the Appeldorfer (Appeldorf/Apfeld) side of the
> >>family.
> >>
> >>If you want to pursue the Zvi Dov Klein branch, you may
> >>contact Meyer Apfeldorf of Brooklyn, who may possibly have more info....
> >>
> >>Is there anything that you can tell me that I may add to my records?
> >>
> >>zei gezunt
> >>
> >>reb noson
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Reuven Chaim Klein wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>-------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>From : Reuven Chaim Klein rachack@futurecities.com
> >>>Remote Computer : 63.198.142.42
> >>>To : Nathan N. Rosenshein, nrosen@total.net
> >>>Subject : Family Tree of the Jewish People: Zvi Dov KLEIN
> >>>=======================================================
> >>>Hello,
> >>>I am a descendant of a Klein family from Munkatch, Ukraine, the author
of
> >>>
> >>>
> >the Shenos Chaim, of whom Zvi Dov Klein was descendant from. I would like
> >to see what research you have done on my family and if it is possible to
> >compare it to my own research.
> >
> >
> >>>Thank you for your time,
> >>>Reuven Chaim Klein
> >>>=======================================================
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
>
>
>

-------- 6/14/2004 09:40:33 PM

TITLE: Family Tree of the Jewish People: Zvi Dov KLEIN
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 6/13/2004 09:34:46 PM

Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 13:53:44 -0400
From: Nathan Rosenshein
Subject: Re: Family Tree of the Jewish People: Zvi Dov KLEIN
To: "R.C. Klein"

yup, your info about the appeldorfers is limited, but correct

let me know if u get in touch wth meyer

zei gezunt

nr

ps
nice website, but lots of annoying ads!
keep up the good work!

R.C. Klein wrote:

>I have tons of information on his family, he was a grandson of the Shenos
>Chaim (Reuven Chaim Klein), if you look at my website,
>http://kleins.100megsfree5.com it has information about Tzvi Dov's children
>and his parents families. I also have a little bit about the Appeldorfers
>(they were a family of leviim, the father of Tova was Meir and his father
>was Berish, am i correct?
>
>How can I contact this Meyer Appeldorfer, do you have an email address for
>him?
>
>Kol Tuv,
>===== Reuven Chaim Klein AIM/AOL Screename: IAmRachack (Add|IM) MSN
>Passport/email: Rachack@futurecities.com and Anakin9000@yahoo.com Homepages:
>http://Kleins.100megsfree5.com and http://Rachack.tripod.com Webmaster of:
>http://www.torashashem.org and http://www.myhomeloancompany.com
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Nathan Rosenshein"
>To: "Reuven Chaim Klein"
>Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 12:26 AM
>Subject: Re: Family Tree of the Jewish People: Zvi Dov KLEIN
>
>
>
>
>>hello reb reuven,
>>
>>I am sorry, but it looks like there is not much information
>>in my records.....
>>
>>Zvi Dov Klein was born abt 1898 and married my relative toba appeldorfer
>>
>>I have no record of his parents, nor have I any info on possible
>>children....
>>
>>Toba was the daughter of Meyer Appeldorfer and Frimeth Weiser.
>>I have a lot of info on the Appeldorfer (Appeldorf/Apfeld) side of the
>>family.
>>
>>If you want to pursue the Zvi Dov Klein branch, you may
>>contact Meyer Apfeldorf of Brooklyn, who may possibly have more info....
>>
>>Is there anything that you can tell me that I may add to my records?
>>
>>zei gezunt
>>
>>reb noson
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

-------- 6/13/2004 09:34:46 PM

TITLE: Family Tree of the Jewish People: Zvi Dov KLEIN
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 6/13/2004 09:31:27 PM

From: Nathan Rosenshein
Subject: Re: Family Tree of the Jewish People: Zvi Dov KLEIN
To: "APFELDORF, Meyer"
Cc: "R.C. Klein"
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 10:23:06 -0400

Dear Meyer,

Are you aware of this researcher- Reuven Chaim Klein?

Perhaps you can be in touch with him and help him in his research...

Zei gezunt

NR

R.C. Klein wrote:

>I have tons of information on his family, he was a grandson of the Shenos
>Chaim (Reuven Chaim Klein), if you look at my website,
>http://kleins.100megsfree5.com it has information about Tzvi Dov's children
>and his parents families. I also have a little bit about the Appeldorfers
>(they were a family of leviim, the father of Tova was Meir and his father
>was Berish, am i correct?
>
>How can I contact this Meyer Appeldorfer, do you have an email address for
>him?
>
>Kol Tuv,
>Reuven Chaim Klein
>

>AIM/AOL Screename: IAmRachack (Add|IM) MSN
>Passport/email: Rachack@futurecities.com and Anakin9000@yahoo.com Homepages:
>http://Kleins.100megsfree5.com and http://Rachack.tripod.com Webmaster of:
>http://www.torashashem.org and http://www.myhomeloancompany.com
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Nathan Rosenshein"
>To: "Reuven Chaim Klein"
>Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 12:26 AM
>Subject: Re: Family Tree of the Jewish People: Zvi Dov KLEIN
>
>
>
>
>>hello reb reuven,
>>
>>I am sorry, but it looks like there is not much information
>>in my records.....
>>
>>Zvi Dov Klein was born abt 1898 and married my relative toba appeldorfer
>>
>>I have no record of his parents, nor have I any info on possible
>>children....
>>
>>Toba was the daughter of Meyer Appeldorfer and Frimeth Weiser.
>>I have a lot of info on the Appeldorfer (Appeldorf/Apfeld) side of the
>>family.
>>
>>If you want to pursue the Zvi Dov Klein branch, you may
>>contact Meyer Apfeldorf of Brooklyn, who may possibly have more info....
>>
>>Is there anything that you can tell me that I may add to my records?
>>
>>zei gezunt
>>
>>reb noson
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Reuven Chaim Klein wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>-------------------------------------------------------
>>>>From : Reuven Chaim Klein rachack@futurecities.com
>>>Remote Computer : 63.198.142.42
>>>To : Nathan N. Rosenshein, nrosen@total.net
>>>Subject : Family Tree of the Jewish People: Zvi Dov KLEIN
>>>=======================================================
>>>Hello,
>>>I am a descendant of a Klein family from Munkatch, Ukraine, the author of
>>>
>>>
>the Shenos Chaim, of whom Zvi Dov Klein was descendant from. I would like
>to see what research you have done on my family and if it is possible to
>compare it to my own research.
>
>
>>>Thank you for your time,
>>>Reuven Chaim Klein
>>>=======================================================
>>>
>>>
>>>

-------- 6/13/2004 09:31:27 PM

TITLE: Family Tree of the Jewish People: Zvi Dov KLEIN
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 6/13/2004 09:28:15 PM

Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 03:26:12 -0400
From: Nathan Rosenshein
Subject: Re: Family Tree of the Jewish People: Zvi Dov KLEIN
To: Reuven Chaim Klein

hello reb reuven,

I am sorry, but it looks like there is not much information
in my records.....

Zvi Dov Klein was born abt 1898 and married my relative toba appeldorfer

I have no record of his parents, nor have I any info on possible
children....

Toba was the daughter of Meyer Appeldorfer and Frimeth Weiser.
I have a lot of info on the Appeldorfer (Appeldorf/Apfeld) side of the
family.

If you want to pursue the Zvi Dov Klein branch, you may
contact Meyer Apfeldorf of Brooklyn, who may possibly have more info....

Is there anything that you can tell me that I may add to my records?

zei gezunt

reb noson

Reuven Chaim Klein wrote:

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>Hello,
>I am a descendant of a Klein family from Munkatch, Ukraine, the author of the Shenos Chaim, of whom Zvi Dov Klein was descendant from. I would like to see what research you have done on my family and if it is possible to compare it to my own research.
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TITLE: re: Shnos Chaim
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 4/15/2004 11:42:55 PM

From: Mehadrin@aol.com
To: rachack@futurecities.com

In a message dated 4/15/04 5:02:19 AM, rachack@futurecities.com writes:

>Rabbi Gartenhaus's second wife was Hinda the daughter of Avrohom Simcha and
Zisel Kalisch
>of Munkacz.
>
>> Zisel Kalisch was the daughter of Benjamin Eliezer Klein, who was one
>> three brothers (the others were Tzvi Dov Klein and Yerucham Klein) the
I believe that Rabbi Gartenhaus' daughter Rebbetzen Kulefsky is still alive
and well, and living on the campus of Ner Israel Yeshiva in Baltimore Md
(pikesville), where her late husband gave a shiur,
A. Marmorstein
-------- 4/15/2004 11:42:55 PM

TITLE: Shnos Chaim
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 4/15/2004 11:40:56 PM

From: Mehadrin@aol.com
To: rachack@futurecities.com

In a message dated 4/15/04 5:02:19 AM, rachack@futurecities.com writes:

>Kalisch was the last name?
I believe so
-------- 4/15/2004 11:40:56 PM

TITLE: Shnos Chaim
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 4/15/2004 11:39:17 PM

From: Mehadrin@aol.com
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 00:54:17 EDT
To: rachack@futurecities.com
The entry about Rabbi Yerucham states:
Shnos Chaim is a commentary on the ancient medieval book of Rabbi Yerucham,
it was authored by Rabbi reuven Chaim Klein, Rabbi of davidkov, he published
part 1 in 1931 and died in 1933 without printing part 2. Rabbi Gartenhaus's
second wife was Hinda the daughter of Avrohom Simcha and Zisel Kalisch of Munkacz.
Zisel Kalisch was the daughter of Benjamin Eliezer Klein, who was one of
three brothers (the others were Tzvi Dov Klein and Yerucham Klein) the sons of
Reuven Chaim Klein.
Best wishes,
A. Marmorstein
-------- 4/15/2004 11:39:17 PM

TITLE: Eshel HaGedolim
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 4/14/2004 11:38:15 PM

From: Mehadrin@aol.com
To: rachack@futurecities.com

In a message dated 4/4/04 9:17:47 PM, rachack@futurecities.com writes:

>I have a sefer which was printed in 1958 with the Shem HaGedolim and
>it is called "Ashel/Eshel HaGedolim" and it was written by "Rabbi
>Elazar GARTENHAUS" and was printed in a city spelled the following
>way: Pay Reish Aleph Chaf Nun Yud Kuf in New York.
I have the book, and I met the author, he was formerly rabbi in Prachnik as
mentioned on the title page, the book says very clearly that it was published
in Brooklyn NY
The author lived to a ripe old age, I met him at the bris of his
great-grandson in Lakewood N.J. in 1977. I am occasionally in touch with the husband of
his grand-daughter.
A. Marmorstein
-------- 4/14/2004 11:38:15 PM

TITLE: Klein Family Tree
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 4/8/2004 11:34:15 PM

From: "R.C. Klein"
To: "Elly Klein"
Your right about both, but that doesn't mean the whole chart is wrong. It just means that instad of son-in-law i put father-in-law and i just checked the sefer again and ur right so i changed it. And your other point also doesnt make it wrong, it merely shows that I have a lack of knowledge, if you have more information for me to put, please give. I remember when the Rabbi from frumteens.com told me about your grandfather, he told me to say I got the information from someone who's friends with his nephew Ephraim Klein. Do you know who that is and if I can email him or something? Also, did you/can you ask your grandfather about my family and how I am related to you and this whole thing. My father is Mordechai Meir Klein, his father was Reuven Chaim Klein his father was Mordechai Klein and that's how far back I know of, can you help me get more information? I'm also putting up a site right now, http://kleins.100megsfree5.com tell me what you think about all this...

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----- Original Message -----
From: Elly Klein
To: R.C. Klein
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 12:49 PM
Subject: RE: klein family tree

see notes below...
-----Original Message-----
From: R.C. Klein [mailto:rachack@futurecities.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 3:46 PM
To: Elly Klein
Subject: Re: klein family tree

i saw ur attached img, but all it had was a bunch of names, so I will explain to u my chart in words and tell me if it's correct.

*Reuven Chaim Klein, auhor of Shenos Chaim, had a son *Tzvi Dov Klein (Hersch Ber) who was the Rosh Kehilla in Munkatch. Tzvi Dov's father-in-law[Elly Klein] , no - son in law was *Chaim Schriber. Tzvi Dov had 2 sons[Elly Klein] he had more then 2 and some daughters , i just dont know all of the names : *Reuven Chaim Klein, who is the Senina Rav, and *Moshe Ezriel Klein. Moshe Ezriel had a son, *Reuven Chaim Klein (who is ur grandfather) who in turn had *Tzvi Dov who is ur father, and then comes Elly Klein. Is this right? This is what my chart says.

*=Rabbi

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----- Original Message -----
From: Elly Klein
To: R.C. Klein
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 12:37 PM
Subject: RE: klein family tree (img attached)

see attached
-----Original Message-----
From: R.C. Klein [mailto:rachack@futurecities.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 3:31 PM
To: Elly Klein
Subject: Re: klein family tree (img attached)

Why do you say that?

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----- Original Message -----
From: Elly Klein
To: R.C. Klein
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 12:25 PM
Subject: RE: klein family tree (img attached)

i dont think that your chart is accurate
-----Original Message-----
From: R.C. Klein [mailto:rachack@futurecities.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 3:24 PM
To: Elly Klein
Subject: Re: klein family tree (img attached)

Now I really wanna know how my family fits into this whole thing. Can you ask him about that?

(And keep in mind the Chasam Sofer was related to R' Akiva Eiger and was a direct descendant of Rashi- or so they say)

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----- Original Message -----
From: Elly Klein
To: R.C. Klein
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 12:21 PM
Subject: RE: klein family tree (img attached)

spoke to my grandfather

the father of tzvi dov (hersh ber) klein was also named reuven chaim, my gandfathers great grandfather

also note that r' chaim schrieber was a son in law to tzvi dov (hersh ber) klein, r' chaim schrieber was a decendant of r' moshe sofer/schrieber aka "chasam sofer"
-----Original Message-----
From: R.C. Klein [mailto:rachack@futurecities.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 10:29 PM
To: Elly Klein
Subject: Re: klein family tree (img attached)

I found a reference to the S'ninah Rav in the Intro to the Shenos Chaim (which was written in 1985). In the attached image, the Rav's box is bigger than all the other boxes(so you can see who he is) and his father is Tzvi Dov Klein who is the son of the author of the Shenos Chaim, Reuven Chaim Klein. You your Grandfather's uncle was the grandson of the Shenos Chaim. I was wondering if you could please ask your Grandfather for more information on the family tree so that I can be more complete. And if you can, please ask him about my family, my Grandmother, Rose Klein lives in Boro Park with her two sisters, Sara Blau and Pearl Barany. My grandfather, another Reuven Chaim Klein, was nifter quite a long time ago, when my father was a mere child. Also, I made a website for the family tree if you can help me with corrections/additions/etc.. please look at it at http://kleins.100megsfree5.com/tree and tell me what you think. By the way, I was just wondering, how old are you and what yeshiva (if any? or is Elly a female name?) do you go to? Thanks for your help and have a Chag Kosher V'Sameach and a Good Shabbos.

From,

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----- Original Message -----
From: Elly Klein
To: rachack@futurecities.com
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 12:41 PM

my grandfather's name is also reuven chaim klein from munkatch

he had an uncle also named reuven chaim klein, who was known as the s'nenah rov- he was the son in law to r' shayle kerister

who is your family ?

elly klein
-------- 4/8/2004 11:34:15 PM

TITLE: Klein Family Tree
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 4/8/2004 11:32:27 PM

From: "Elly Klein"
To: "R.C. Klein"
bada bing, all the way to dovid hamelech !!
-----Original Message-----
From: R.C. Klein [mailto:rachack@futurecities.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 3:24 PM
To: Elly Klein
Subject: Re: klein family tree (img attached)

Now I really wanna know how my family fits into this whole thing. Can you ask him about that?

(And keep in mind the Chasam Sofer was related to R' Akiva Eiger and was a direct descendant of Rashi- or so they say)

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Reuven Chaim Klein
AIM/AOL Screename: IAmRachack (Add|IM)
MSN Passport/email: Rachack@futurecities.com and Anakin9000@yahoo.com
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----- Original Message -----
From: Elly Klein
To: R.C. Klein
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 12:21 PM
Subject: RE: klein family tree (img attached)

spoke to my grandfather

the father of tzvi dov (hersh ber) klein was also named reuven chaim, my gandfathers great grandfather

also note that r' chaim schrieber was a son in law to tzvi dov (hersh ber) klein, r' chaim schrieber was a decendant of r' moshe sofer/schrieber aka "chasam sofer"
-----Original Message-----
From: R.C. Klein [mailto:rachack@futurecities.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 10:29 PM
To: Elly Klein
Subject: Re: klein family tree (img attached)

I found a reference to the S'ninah Rav in the Intro to the Shenos Chaim (which was written in 1985). In the attached image, the Rav's box is bigger than all the other boxes(so you can see who he is) and his father is Tzvi Dov Klein who is the son of the author of the Shenos Chaim, Reuven Chaim Klein. You your Grandfather's uncle was the grandson of the Shenos Chaim. I was wondering if you could please ask your Grandfather for more information on the family tree so that I can be more complete. And if you can, please ask him about my family, my Grandmother, Rose Klein lives in Boro Park with her two sisters, Sara Blau and Pearl Barany. My grandfather, another Reuven Chaim Klein, was nifter quite a long time ago, when my father was a mere child. Also, I made a website for the family tree if you can help me with corrections/additions/etc.. please look at it at http://kleins.100megsfree5.com/tree and tell me what you think. By the way, I was just wondering, how old are you and what yeshiva (if any? or is Elly a female name?) do you go to? Thanks for your help and have a Chag Kosher V'Sameach and a Good Shabbos.

From,

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MSN Passport/email: Rachack@futurecities.com and Anakin9000@yahoo.com
Homepage: http://kleins.100megsfree5.com

----- Original Message -----
From: Elly Klein
To: rachack@futurecities.com
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 12:41 PM

my grandfather's name is also reuven chaim klein from munkatch

he had an uncle also named reuven chaim klein, who was known as the s'nenah rov- he was the son in law to r' shayle kerister

who is your family ?

elly klein
-------- 4/8/2004 11:32:27 PM

TITLE: Reuven Chaim Klein added to Yarzheit.com
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 4/5/2004 09:59:27 PM

From: Yarzheit.com
To: R.C. Klein
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: thank you & gut Yom tov

Reuven Chaim .....

i assume that is "yes" ......
its nearly yom tov here in Switzerland .....

i wait until chol hamoed to connect the page http://www.yarzheit.com/klein.htm
to the websites .....

Gut Yom tov ......

----- Original Message -----
From: R.C. Klein
To: Yarzheit.com
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 6:11 PM
Subject: Re: thank you & gut Yom tov

You can take out the "mr." part, I'm not a mister, I'm just a kid. and also, i think u should crop out of the image just the matzevos, leave the rest out, because the whole biogrpahy is 3 pages (which i can send to u if u want)

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----- Original Message -----
From: Yarzheit.com
To: R.C. Klein
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 9:08 AM
Subject: Re: thank you & gut Yom tov

as you replied ...i have just completed a webpage .....
please see it and give me your approval before i make it public ....

http://www.yarzheit.com/klein.htm

and check that the email link works .....

----- Original Message -----
From: R.C. Klein
To: Yarzheit.com
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: thank you & gut Yom tov

you may use it on condition that you put my name by each thing that I wrote with a link to my website and email address. Thank you and have a good tom yov

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----- Original Message -----
From: Yarzheit.com
To: R.C. Klein
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 8:49 AM
Subject: Re: thank you & gut Yom tov

I am just doing a sample page ......may i copy what you have written from your website ..please ???
----- Original Message -----
From: R.C. Klein
To: Yarzheit.com
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 5:33 PM
Subject: Re: thank you & gut Yom tov

it's not needed, I'm already working on a website of my own for my family (http://kleins.100megsfree5.com) but thanks for the offer. I would just stam like to help in any way that I can (I'm pretty good with HTML, XML etc...) If you want to talk more give me ur instant messaging name so we can talk, it's easier on there than by email

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----- Original Message -----
From: Yarzheit.com
To: R.C. Klein
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 8:27 AM
Subject: Re: thank you & gut Yom tov

Yes please ...certainly i should like your help .....
I have regretted not asking my grandfather more about Europe , and now with the opportunity of the internet and possibility to go into Eastern Europe , we really want to do this .....
and if our generation don't connect with previous generations it will be lost ....
i hoped you liked our article on METZ ....here it is
http://www.yarzheit.com/heavensregister/rebyaakovreischer.htm

we are just trying to design the website to be easy to use ...etc ....
anyway ...another time ....

Thanks once again for your time and help.....

i hope i can upload a special page soon for your family .....

----- Original Message -----
From: R.C. Klein
To: Yarzheit.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: thank you & gut Yom tov

I'd like to help you more during Chol HaMoed on this project, it sounds interesting. If only I had the information you ask. I think they are buried in Munkatch (Ukraine?) The only famous Kever in Europe I've been to was the Chasam Sofer's when I was like 4 and they moved it since then.

Chag Kosher V'Sameach

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----- Original Message -----
From: Yarzheit.com
To: R.C. Klein
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 7:13 AM
Subject: thank you & gut Yom tov

Thank you very much .....

The purpose of making the websites was to enable people from all over the world to connect with Gedolim,
And going to kivrei zdakkim - is our connection to them ,
The websites i hope will give people some feeling of connection even if they cannot travel to actually see them .

our websites are currently under construction .....but a basic form is up and running and getting a lot of attention !!
i should like to incorporate the photos on these websites , with you permission ?

www.famousrebbes.com

www.famousrabbis.com

and www.yarzheit.com

all our sites have links between each other as they are on the same webspace server .

A few questions though , where in Europe are they buried ? have you been there ? do you have address or directions ? are there other Rebbes / Gedolim in that Beis Olam ?

I don't expect your reply as its erev yom tov ..... i am lucky ...we are ready !!!

Kol tuv ....& Gut Yom Tov .....

----- Original Message -----
From: R.C. Klein
To: Yarzheit.com
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: add rabbi to list

ok I've attached two pictures. Klein3_sm.jpg is a picture of my grandfather's gravestone in New Jersey and page3.jpg contains two pictures: The one on the right is Reuven Chaim Klein the author of the Shenos Chaim's tombstone, whose information I sent you before, and the picture on the left is Yerucham Klein, his son's tombstone. Need more help?

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----- Original Message -----
From: Yarzheit.com
To: R.C. Klein
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 3:39 AM
Subject: Re: add rabbi to list

May i also ask , ( although i know Erev Pesach is a busy day for all ) so in your own time .....
We are trying to collect photos and directions to Cemetary' s in Eastern Europe , of Gedolim .
Examples of some we have done already may be found on www.famousrabbis.com and i have had many emails
asking for more ......
Can you help ? please do you have any photos or directions to where you family of distinguished Rebonim are buried in Europe . .......?
----- Original Message -----
From: R.C. Klein
To: rebmoshe@yarzheit.com
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 1:15 AM
Subject: add rabbi to list

Please add Rabbi Reuven Chaim Klein, the author of the Shenos Chaim. He was nifter on 22 of Teves in 1873. Thank you and have a Chag Kosher V'Sameach

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-------- 4/5/2004 09:59:27 PM

TITLE: Ashel HaGedolim
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 4/4/2004 11:29:52 PM

From: "R.C. Klein"
To:
His name is Elazar, not Eliezer. And looking back at the sefer, it does have his middle name as Lipa so we are talking about the same person. I have the sefer at home, if I find what you've been looking for, I'll scan u a page of it and send it ok?

Chag Kosher V'Sameach

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----- Original Message -----
From: SFalk81162@aol.com
To: "R.C. Klein"
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: [ravsig] Ashel HaGedolim

Reuven:

I do not have any answers, but I am also interested in knowing more about Eliezar Lipa GARTENHAUS. His work - possibly the same 1958 book you are are focused on - also has information about the FALK family history. (I think with an alleged connection to R. Jacob Jehoshua Falk, the "Pnei Jehoshua" - which I contest.)

If you get any responses to your inquiry, I would be interested to learn what you find.

Best regards - and I wish you a good Pesach.

Stephen FALK
Wayne, PA, USA

>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>I have a sefer which was printed in 1958 with the Shem HaGedolim and
>it is called "Ashel/Eshel HaGedolim" and it was written by "Rabbi
>Elazar GARTENHAUS" and was printed in a city spelled the following
>way: Pay Reish Aleph Chaf Nun Yud Kuf in New York. When this sefer
>talks about the Rabbenu Yerucham, it brings down the fact that many
>commentators on the Rabbenu Yerucham died at an early age (much like
>the Shem HaGedolim says) and then it says one of them was the Shenos
>Chaim who was the grandfather of my wife.
>
>This sefer was signed by the author for my grandfather. I am
>wondering if anyone can relate to me more information about Rabbi
>Elazar GARTENHAUS and his wife with regards to the genealogy,
>biography and information about their living descendants and any
>known connection they might have to the Shenos Chaim (R' Reuven
>Chaim KLEIN of Munkatch).
>
>Thank you for your time and have a Chag Kosher V'Sameach,
>
>Reuven Chaim Klein
>Homepage: http://kleins.100megsfree5.com
-------- 4/4/2004 11:29:52 PM

TITLE: re: Ashel HaGedolim
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 4/4/2004 11:29:30 PM

From: "R.C. Klein"
To: "Benjamin Richler"
Yes thank you, http://www.gtrdata.com/richler/d0000/g0000003.html#I1116 is probably him, but now that doesn't help with regards to how his wife is the granddaughter of the Shenos Chaim (you happen to have a "__________" by his wife) and more information about his life and the sefer he wrote. I guess you are a relative of his, can you help me out? Yasher Koach and have a Chag Kosher V'Sameach

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Reuven Chaim Klein
AIM/AOL Screename: IAmRachack (Add|IM)
MSN Passport/email: Rachack@futurecities.com and Anakin9000@yahoo.com
Homepage: http://kleins.100megsfree5.com
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----- Original Message -----
From: Benjamin Richler
To: 'R.C. Klein '
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 10:18 PM
Subject: RE: [ravsig] Ashel HaGedolim

Try http://www.gtrdata.com/richler/d0022/g0000030.html

-----Original Message-----
From: R.C. Klein
To: Rabbinic Genealogy SIG
Cc: Yossi Klein; Les Barany; Elly Klein
Sent: 04/04/04 08:50
Subject: [ravsig] Ashel HaGedolim

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I have a sefer which was printed in 1958 with the Shem HaGedolim and
it is called "Ashel/Eshel HaGedolim" and it was written by "Rabbi
Elazar GARTENHAUS" and was printed in a city spelled the following
way: Pay Reish Aleph Chaf Nun Yud Kuf in New York. When this sefer
talks about the Rabbenu Yerucham, it brings down the fact that many
commentators on the Rabbenu Yerucham died at an early age (much like
the Shem HaGedolim says) and then it says one of them was the Shenos
Chaim who was the grandfather of my wife.

This sefer was signed by the author for my grandfather. I am
wondering if anyone can relate to me more information about Rabbi
Elazar GARTENHAUS and his wife with regards to the genealogy,
biography and information about their living descendants and any
known connection they might have to the Shenos Chaim (R' Reuven
Chaim KLEIN of Munkatch).

Thank you for your time and have a Chag Kosher V'Sameach,

Reuven Chaim Klein
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TITLE: re: Ashel HaGedolim
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 4/4/2004 10:06:03 PM

From: SFalk81162@aol.com
To: "R.C. Klein"
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: [ravsig] Ashel HaGedolim

Reuven:

I do not have any answers, but I am also interested in knowing more about Eliezar Lipa GARTENHAUS. His work - possibly the same 1958 book you are are focused on - also has information about the FALK family history. (I think with an alleged connection to R. Jacob Jehoshua Falk, the "Pnei Jehoshua" - which I contest.)

If you get any responses to your inquiry, I would be interested to learn what you find.

Best regards - and I wish you a good Pesach.

Stephen FALK
Wayne, PA, USA
-------- 4/4/2004 10:06:03 PM

TITLE: Ashel HaGedolim
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 4/3/2004 10:05:47 PM

Subject: Ashel HaGedolim
From: "R.C. Klein"
Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 22:50:22 -0800
X-Message-Number: 1

I have a sefer which was printed in 1958 with the Shem HaGedolim and
it is called "Ashel/Eshel HaGedolim" and it was written by "Rabbi
Elazar GARTENHAUS" and was printed in a city spelled the following
way: Pay Reish Aleph Chaf Nun Yud Kuf in New York. When this sefer
talks about the Rabbenu Yerucham, it brings down the fact that many
commentators on the Rabbenu Yerucham died at an early age (much like
the Shem HaGedolim says) and then it says one of them was the Shenos
Chaim who was the grandfather of my wife.

This sefer was signed by the author for my grandfather. I am
wondering if anyone can relate to me more information about Rabbi
Elazar GARTENHAUS and his wife with regards to the genealogy,
biography and information about their living descendants and any
known connection they might have to the Shenos Chaim (R' Reuven
Chaim KLEIN of Munkatch).

Thank you for your time and have a Chag Kosher V'Sameach,

Reuven Chaim Klein
Homepage: http://kleins.100megsfree5.com
-------- 4/3/2004 10:05:47 PM

TITLE: Ashel HaGedolim
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 4/3/2004 11:22:48 AM

From: "R.C. Klein"
To: "Rabbinic Genealogy SIG digest"
Cc: "Yossi Klein" ,
"Les Barany" ,
"Elly Klein"
Subject: Ashel HaGedolim
Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 22:50:22 -0800
I have a sefer which was printed in 1958 with the Shem HaGedolim and it is
called "Ashel/Eshel HaGedolim" and it was written by "Rabbi Elazar
Gartenhaus" and was printed in a city spelled the following way: Pay Reish
Aleph Chaf Nun Yud Kuf in New York. When this sefer talks about the Rabbenu
Yerucham, it brings down the fact that many commentatorson the Rabbenu
Yerucham died at an early age (much like the Shem HaGedolim says) and then
it says one of them was the Shenos Chaim who was the grandfather of my wife.
This sefer was signed by the author for my grandfather. I am wondering if
anyone can relate to me more information about Rabbi Elazar Gartenhaus and
his wife with regards to the genealogy, biography and information about
their living descendants and any known connection they might have to the
Shenos Chaim (R' Reuven Chaim Klein of Munkatch).

Thank you for your time and have a Chag Kosher V'Sameach,

=====
Reuven Chaim Klein
AIM/AOL Screename: IAmRachack (Add|IM)
MSN Passport/email: Rachack@futurecities.com and Anakin9000@yahoo.com
Homepage: http://kleins.100megsfree5.com
-------- 4/3/2004 11:22:48 AM

TITLE: Klein Family Tree
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 4/1/2004 11:24:16 PM

From: "R.C. Klein"
To: "Elly Klein"
lol... It's nice to see some people inhertied a sense of humor. Don't get worried, I can't send the picture of the sefer until my little brother wakes up because the scanner is in his room on his computer. (Who knows when that will be? Lazy Californians wake up at Chatzos... During vacation like today, I daven at 6:30 in the morning, not quite Netz, but the earliest Ashkenaz minyan in town.) By the way, do you daven Nusach Sefard?

=====
Reuven Chaim Klein
AIM/AOL Screename: IAmRachack (Add|IM)
MSN Passport/email: Rachack@futurecities.com and Anakin9000@yahoo.com
Homepage: http://kleins.100megsfree5.com

----- Original Message -----
From: Elly Klein
To: R.C. Klein
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 8:35 AM
Subject: RE: klein family tree (img attached)

where do you live ?in a tent in the desert ?
-----Original Message-----
From: R.C. Klein [mailto:rachack@futurecities.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 11:31 AM
To: Elly Klein
Subject: Re: klein family tree (img attached)

(818) 980-0235, but I can't be on the phone and in front of the computer at the same time (the phone is in the next room, and it isn't one of those fancy New York cordless phones :-D )

=====
Reuven Chaim Klein
AIM/AOL Screename: IAmRachack (Add|IM)
MSN Passport/email: Rachack@futurecities.com and Anakin9000@yahoo.com
Homepage: http://kleins.100megsfree5.com

----- Original Message -----
From: Elly Klein
To: R.C. Klein
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 8:29 AM
Subject: RE: klein family tree (img attached)

long distance ? ny... china is long distance !!!!!!!!!

whtas your #
-----Original Message-----
From: R.C. Klein [mailto:rachack@futurecities.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 11:29 AM
To: Elly Klein
Subject: Re: klein family tree (img attached)

my parents wouldn't be too happy with me calling long distance. Do you have some form of Instant Messaging? That would help alot.

=====
Reuven Chaim Klein
AIM/AOL Screename: IAmRachack (Add|IM)
MSN Passport/email: Rachack@futurecities.com and Anakin9000@yahoo.com
Homepage: http://kleins.100megsfree5.com

----- Original Message -----
From: Elly Klein
To: R.C. Klein
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 8:26 AM
Subject: RE: klein family tree (img attached)

so much energy....savlanut

call me im a bit confused on the tree 516 481 1100 x 220
-----Original Message-----
From: R.C. Klein [mailto:rachack@futurecities.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 11:25 AM
To: Elly Klein
Subject: Re: klein family tree (img attached)

no everyone though. (Interesting how you always respond to only part of a message, completely ignoring the rest of it)

=====
Reuven Chaim Klein
AIM/AOL Screename: IAmRachack (Add|IM)
MSN Passport/email: Rachack@futurecities.com and Anakin9000@yahoo.com
Homepage: http://kleins.100megsfree5.com

----- Original Message -----
From: Elly Klein
To: R.C. Klein
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 8:23 AM
Subject: RE: klein family tree (img attached)

thats 99 % of the state
-----Original Message-----
From: R.C. Klein [mailto:rachack@futurecities.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 11:22 AM
To: Elly Klein
Subject: Re: klein family tree (img attached)

I've never seen the name spelled "Elly" before, I've seen Eli, Elie, Ely, but not Elly so I was wondering if it might be short for Elisheva or something (*shrugs*). Not everyone is Los Angeles is a liberal trash head, just the politicians and all the non-frum Jews. I happen to be 16 years old and I attend "Yeshiva Gedolah of Los Angeles - Michael Diller High School." Did you look at the family tree I made and/or speak to your grandfather?

=====
Reuven Chaim Klein
AIM/AOL Screename: IAmRachack (Add|IM)
MSN Passport/email: Rachack@futurecities.com and Anakin9000@yahoo.com
Homepage: http://kleins.100megsfree5.com

----- Original Message -----
From: Elly Klein
To: R.C. Klein
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 8:11 AM
Subject: RE: klein family tree (img attached)

elly, is a male name , where are you from la or something ....? with all of those liberal trash heads........

im 31, how old are you? yeshiva ?
-----Original Message-----
From: R.C. Klein [mailto:rachack@futurecities.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 10:29 PM
To: Elly Klein
Subject: Re: klein family tree (img attached)

I found a reference to the S'ninah Rav in the Intro to the Shenos Chaim (which was written in 1985). In the attached image, the Rav's box is bigger than all the other boxes(so you can see who he is) and his father is Tzvi Dov Klein who is the son of the author of the Shenos Chaim, Reuven Chaim Klein. You your Grandfather's uncle was the grandson of the Shenos Chaim. I was wondering if you could please ask your Grandfather for more information on the family tree so that I can be more complete. And if you can, please ask him about my family, my Grandmother, Rose Klein lives in Boro Park with her two sisters, Sara Blau and Pearl Barany. My grandfather, another Reuven Chaim Klein, was nifter quite a long time ago, when my father was a mere child. Also, I made a website for the family tree if you can help me with corrections/additions/etc.. please look at it at http://kleins.100megsfree5.com/tree and tell me what you think. By the way, I was just wondering, how old are you and what yeshiva (if any? or is Elly a female name?) do you go to? Thanks for your help and have a Chag Kosher V'Sameach and a Good Shabbos.

From,

=====
Reuven Chaim Klein
AIM/AOL Screename: IAmRachack (Add|IM)
MSN Passport/email: Rachack@futurecities.com and Anakin9000@yahoo.com
Homepage: http://kleins.100megsfree5.com

----- Original Message -----
From: Elly Klein
To: rachack@futurecities.com
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 12:41 PM

my grandfather's name is also reuven chaim klein from munkatch

he had an uncle also named reuven chaim klein, who was known as the s'nenah rov- he was the son in law to r' shayle kerister

who is your family ?

elly klein
-------- 4/1/2004 11:24:16 PM

TITLE: re: Shenos Chaim
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 3/28/2004 11:22:39 PM

From: "R.C. Klein"
To: "Rabbinic Genealogy SIG digest"
I wrote the following message to be sent to this list on Friday Afternoon:
Sorry for sending the message in an unclear way, but I will try to clear
things up right now (by the way, I tried to include some of this information
in my orginal post, but the moderator made me take it out, because he said I
am advertising the sefer or something): I am asking about the connection
between the Shenos Chaim and the Rama and Taz, is there one? Can there be a
pedigree chart wirtten to prove it? I have the 1985 edition which was once
printed by Mechon Yerushalayim and has been out of print for a few years
already (the sefer is on their website, but with no price listed), if you
have it, I would love to get my hands on a copy of the 1871 edition or even
an original. I am supposedly a descendant of this Rav, but I don't exactly
know how (My name is Reuven Chaim, my father is Mordechai Meir, his father
is Reuven Chaim, his father was Mordechai and he was a desecendant). I was
wondering if you can also get my information on his current relatives and
who they are (contact information is possible?) And I would like to know
more about the "curse" on Rabbenu Yerucham's Toldos Adom V'Chava. --Yasher
Koach for you help and have a good Shabbos

Then after Shabbos I have this to say: I didn't think that I had this
sefer "Shem HaGedolim," but cleaning through my seforim for Pesach, I came
across that sefer in a three volume set which used to belong to my
Grandfather A"H. I looked up "Rabbenu Yerucham" and it had almost precisely
the information which you said to me. Then in the last volume of the book,
there was a mini-sefer inside it called the "Ashel (Ha)Gedolim" and it was
signed (probably by the writer) in illegible hebrew or yiddish. I looked up
"Rabbenu Yerucham" in that sefer and it talks about this curse and it says
that the Shenos Chaim evaded the curse and then it proceeds to say that the
writer of this work (Ashel (Ha) Gedolim)'s wife is the grand-daughter of the
writer of the Shenos Chaim. Can someone help me fill in the names and all
the other blank spots that I have? Thank you to whoever does so in advance.
Have a Chag Kosher V'Sameach.
-------- 3/28/2004 11:22:39 PM

TITLE: re: Shenos Chaim
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 3/28/2004 09:52:48 PM

Subject: Re: Shenos Chayim
From: "R.C. Klein"
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 22:33:58 -0800
X-Message-Number: 3

In a post distributed on 2004.03.28, Leslie Reich
writes:

> Our interlocutor [...] does not let us now that what he has got.
> Is he asking for leads for the connection between the Shenos Chaim
> and the TaZ & ReMo? Which edition does he possess (see later)?
> [...]
> As to the work Shenos Chaim [...] this was originally published
> in Lemberg (today Lviv) in 1871. If this is the edition seen, may
> I suggest he gets hold of a later edition published in Jerusalem
> in 1985.
> [...]
> There is a most curious story told about this last opus. The Chida
> (18th Cent.) in his Shem Hagdolim states that there exists a belief
> or tradition that anybody who publishes a commentary on Rabbenu
> Yerucham is destined for an early grave. It may be noted that the
> author of the Shenos Chaim died aged 47!

I wrote the following message to be sent to this list on Friday
Afternoon:

Sorry for sending the message in an unclear way, but I will try to
clear things up right now: I am asking about the connection between
the Shenos Chaim and the RaMa and Taz, is there one? Can there be
a pedigree chart wirtten to prove it? I have the 1985 edition which
was once printed by Mechon Yerushalayim and has been out of print
for a few years already (the sefer is on their website, but with no
price listed), if you have it, I would love to get my hands on a
copy of the 1871 edition or even an original. I am supposedly a
descendant of this Rav, but I don't exactly know how (My name is
Reuven Chaim, my father is Mordechai Meir, his father is Reuven
Chaim, his father was Mordechai and he was a descendant). I was
wondering if you can also get my information on his current
relatives and who they are (contact information is possible?) And I
would like to know more about the "curse" on Rabbenu Yerucham's
Toldos Adom V'Chava. --Yasher Koach for you help and have a good
Shabbos

Then after Shabbos I have this to say: I didn't think that I had
this sefer "Shem HaGedolim," but cleaning through my seforim for
Pesach, I came across that sefer in a three volume set which used to
belong to my grandfather A"H. I looked up "Rabbenu Yerucham" and it
had almost precisely the information which you said to me. Then in
the last volume of the book, there was a mini-sefer inside it called
the "Ashel (Ha)Gedolim" and it was signed (probably by the writer)
in illegible Hebrew or Yiddish. I looked up "Rabbenu Yerucham" in
that sefer and it talks about this curse and it says that the Shenos
Chaim evaded the curse and then it proceeds to say that the writer
of this work (Ashel (Ha) Gedolim)'s wife is the grand-daughter of
the writer of the Shenos Chaim. Can someone help me fill in the
names and all the other blank spots that I have? Thank you to
whoever does so in advance. Have a Chag Kosher V'Sameach.

R.C. Klein
-------- 3/28/2004 09:52:48 PM

TITLE: Kleins
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 3/26/2004 11:19:36 PM

From: "R.C. Klein"
To: "Elly Klein"
I don't know why, but I had a feeling that's the p'shat. Well, anyways do you have a family tree or something? Did you ask him if he knows more about my family? (We are related to the Steggs in Boro Park)

=====
Reuven Chaim Klein
AIM/AOL Screename: IAmRachack (Add|IM)
MSN Passport/email: Rachack@futurecities.com and Anakin9000@yahoo.com
Homepage: http://kleins.100megsfree5.com

----- Original Message -----
From: Elly Klein
To: R.C. Klein
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 2:55 PM
Subject: Re: kleins

That is my grandfathers tel number
we live in ny
R.C. Klein wrote on 3/26/04 4:33 pm:

I'm not exactly sure what year the move occured. I also tried to do more research and I asked the Rav of frumteens.com and he gave me the phone number of another man named Reuven Chaim Klein with the phone number (718) 627-7036 (I was never able to reach this person, becuase I am usually busy in Yeshiva, but now that it is soon Bein Hazmanim, I will try IY"H to contact him) Perhaps this man is your grandfather? Either way, I can tell you this about my family: My name is Reuven Chaim, my father is Mordechai Meir, his father is Reuven Chaim, his father was Mordechai and he was a desecendant of Rav Reuven Chaim Klein who wrote the Shenos Chaim. I have a copy of the Shenos Chaim at home, by the way. Where do you live? I live in Los Angeles.
Yasher Koach for your help and have a Good Shabbos

=====
Reuven Chaim Klein
AIM/AOL Screename: IAmRachack ( Add | IM )
MSN Passport/email: Rachack@futurecities.com and Anakin9000@yahoo.com
Homepage: http://kleins.100megsfree5.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Elly Klein
To: R.C. Klein
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 6:27 AM
Subject: RE: kleins

i mentioned to my grandfather last nite , he heard of shnos chaim
when did your family come to usa from munkatch ?
-----Original Message-----
From: R.C. Klein [ mailto:rachack@futurecities.com]
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 2:42 AM
To: Elly Klein
Subject: Re: kleins

My grandfather, Reuven Chaim Klein lived in New York and was an army officer for the US in New Jersey. He was nifter on 13 Tammuz over 30 years ago. He had two sons, my uncle Yossi and my father. He had a sister named Feige who died a little but more recently. I currently live in Los Angeles. I am a descendant of Reuven Chaim Klein who wrote the Shenos Chaim (a sefer on the Rabbenu Yerucham). Can you help me find more information about my family? (Is there any other information that you need to know that I might have or something you want to tell me that can help me make a family tree and try to trace my yuchsin to the Taz and the Rama?)
Thank you, and have a good shabbos,

=====
Reuven Chaim Klein
AIM/AOL Screename: IAmRachack ( Add | IM )
MSN Passport/email: Rachack@futurecities.com and Anakin9000@yahoo.com
Homepage: http://kleins.100megsfree5.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Elly Klein
To: rachack@futurecities.com
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 12:41 PM

my grandfather's name is also reuven chaim klein from munkatch
he had an uncle also named reuven chaim klein, who was known as the s'nenah rov- he was the son in law to r' shayle kerister
who is your family ?
elly klein
-------- 3/26/2004 11:19:36 PM

TITLE: re: Kleins
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 3/26/2004 11:17:55 PM

From: "R.C. Klein"
To: "Elly Klein"
I'm not exactly sure what year the move occured. I also tried to do more research and I asked the Rav of frumteens.com and he gave me the phone number of another man named Reuven Chaim Klein with the phone number (718) 627-7036 (I was never able to reach this person, becuase I am usually busy in Yeshiva, but now that it is soon Bein Hazmanim, I will try IY"H to contact him) Perhaps this man is your grandfather? Either way, I can tell you this about my family: My name is Reuven Chaim, my father is Mordechai Meir, his father is Reuven Chaim, his father was Mordechai and he was a desecendant of Rav Reuven Chaim Klein who wrote the Shenos Chaim. I have a copy of the Shenos Chaim at home, by the way. Where do you live? I live in Los Angeles.

Yasher Koach for your help and have a Good Shabbos

=====
Reuven Chaim Klein
AIM/AOL Screename: IAmRachack (Add|IM)
MSN Passport/email: Rachack@futurecities.com and Anakin9000@yahoo.com
Homepage: http://kleins.100megsfree5.com

----- Original Message -----
From: Elly Klein
To: R.C. Klein
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 6:27 AM
Subject: RE: kleins

i mentioned to my grandfather last nite , he heard of shnos chaim

when did your family come to usa from munkatch ?
-----Original Message-----
From: R.C. Klein [mailto:rachack@futurecities.com]
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 2:42 AM
To: Elly Klein
Subject: Re: kleins

My grandfather, Reuven Chaim Klein lived in New York and was an army officer for the US in New Jersey. He was nifter on 13 Tammuz over 30 years ago. He had two sons, my uncle Yossi and my father. He had a sister named Feige who died a little but more recently. I currently live in Los Angeles. I am a descendant of Reuven Chaim Klein who wrote the Shenos Chaim (a sefer on the Rabbenu Yerucham). Can you help me find more information about my family? (Is there any other information that you need to know that I might have or something you want to tell me that can help me make a family tree and try to trace my yuchsin to the Taz and the Rama?)

Thank you, and have a good shabbos,

=====
Reuven Chaim Klein
AIM/AOL Screename: IAmRachack (Add|IM)
MSN Passport/email: Rachack@futurecities.com and Anakin9000@yahoo.com
Homepage: http://kleins.100megsfree5.com

----- Original Message -----
From: Elly Klein
To: rachack@futurecities.com
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 12:41 PM

my grandfather's name is also reuven chaim klein from munkatch

he had an uncle also named reuven chaim klein, who was known as the s'nenah rov- he was the son in law to r' shayle kerister

who is your family ?

elly klein
-------- 3/26/2004 11:17:55 PM

TITLE: Re: Shenos Chaim
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 3/26/2004 11:14:52 PM

From: "R.C. Klein"
To: "LR"
Sorry for sending the message in an unclear way, but I will try to clear things up right now (by the way, I tried to include some of this information in my orginal post, but the moderator made me take it out, because he said I am advertising the sefer or something): I am asking about the connection between the Shenos Chaim and the Rama and Taz, is there one? Can there be a pedigree chart wirtten to prove it? I have the 1985 edition which was once printed by Mechon Yerushalayim and has been out of print for a few years already (the sefer is on their website, but with no price listed), if you have it, I would love to get my hands on a copy of the 1871 edition or even an original. I am supposedly a descendant of this Rav, but I don't exactly know how (My name is Reuven Chaim, my father is Mordechai Meir, his father is Reuven Chaim, his father was Mordechai and he was a desecendant). I was wondering if you can also get my information on his current relatives and who they are (contact information is possible?) And I would like to know more about the "curse" on Rabbenu Yerucham's Toldos Adom V'Chava.

Yasher Koach for you help and have a good Shabbos

=====
Reuven Chaim Klein
AIM/AOL Screename: IAmRachack (Add|IM)
MSN Passport/email: Rachack@futurecities.com and Anakin9000@yahoo.com
Homepage: http://kleins.100megsfree5.com

----- Original Message -----
From: LR
To: rachack@futurecities.com
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 4:35 AM
Subject: Shenos Chayim

Subject: Shenos Chayim
From: Leslie Reich

A query to this site reads as follows: -

***********."Hi, my name is Reuven Chaim Klein. I am a descendant of
***********Reuven Chaim Klein who wrote the sefer Shenos Chayim (which is
**********a commentary on the Rebbenu Yerucham). He lived in the city of
***********Munkatch. I have a copy of his sefer. In it, where describing
**********himself, it says he is of the offspring of the TaZ and the ReMa.
**********I was wondering if you can help me get more information."
......................................................................

I would like to help Mr Klein, but let me grouch and grouse (I think the
latter is a Kosher bird) a little first.

Our interlocuter says he want more information but does not let us now that
what he has got. Is he asking for leads for the connection between the
Shenos Chaim and the Taz & Remo? Which edition does he possess (see later)?
Where and when was the sefer published? If he has no further information it
would be better to state so clearly.

I must confess that I ignore many posts to this forum because the the asker
has not made all this sort of stuff clear.

Having got that off my chest; a brief note about Mr Klein's namesake
ancestor. According to Chachmei Hungaria (by YY Cohen- Jeruslem 1997 p356)
R' Reuven Chaim son of Binyomin Eliezer was born in Cracow in 1826 and died
in Davidkof (spelling?) near Muncasz in 1873. His family name had originally
been Ungar or Auerbach but being orphaned at an early age, adopted a new
name. Curiously, Freedberg's bibliographical dictionary has yet another
surname for him. (I suspect a copying error.)

As to the work Shenos Chaim, which Mr K correctly describes as a commentary
on Rabbenu Yerucham, this was originally published in Lemberg (today Lviv)
in 1871. If this is the edition seen, may I suggest he gets hold of a later
edition published in Jerusalem in 1985. This includes a preface by a
knowledgable contemporary Talmid Chacham, R' Moshe Zishe Kunstlicher. There
might be more information there.

Incidentally, the Rabbenu Yerucham referred to is a 14th Centyry Gadol, R'
Yerucham ben Meshulam, a pupil of the Rosh, who went into exile from
Provence to Spain. In contradistinction to many Gedolim who are commonly
named by their seforim - e.g. Chafetz Chaim, Chazon Ish - , when talmudists
say Rabbenu Yerucham, they ususally do not mean the person, but his two part
halachic sefer, Odom Vechavoh & Mayshorim.

There is a most curious story told about this last opus. The Chida (18th
Cent) in his Shem Hagdolim states that there exists a belief or tradition
that anybody who publishes a commentary on Rabbenu Yerucham is destined for
an early grave. It may be noted that the author of the Shenos Chaim died
aged 47 !

I hope the above is of general interest without being unconnected with
genealogy.

Leslie Reich

-------- 3/26/2004 11:14:52 PM

TITLE: re: Shenos Chaim
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 3/26/2004 09:51:28 PM

Subject: Re: Shenos Chayim
From: "LR"
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 12:21:03 -0000
X-Message-Number: 1

On 2004.03.22, Reuven Chaim Klein wrote:

> Hi, my name is Reuven Chaim Klein. I am a descendant of Reuven Chaim
> Klein who wrote the sefer Shenos Chayim (which is a commentary on
> the Rebbenu Yerucham). He lived in the city of Munkatch. I have a
> copy of his sefer. In it, where describing himself, it says he is
> of the offspring of the TaZ and the ReMa. I was wondering if you
> can help me get more information."

I would like to help Mr. Klein, but let me grouch and grouse (I
think the latter is a Kosher bird) a little first.

Our interlocutor says he want more information but does not let us
now that what he has got. Is he asking for leads for the connection
between the Shenos Chaim and the TaZ & ReMo? Which edition does he
possess (see later)? Where and when was the sefer published? If he
has no further information it would be better to state so clearly.

I must confess that I ignore many posts to this forum because the
asker has not made all this sort of stuff clear.

Having got that off my chest; a brief note about Mr. Klein's
namesake ancestor. According to Chachmei Hungaria (by YY Cohen-
Jerusalem 1997 p. 356) R' Reuven Chaim son of Binyomin Eliezer was
born in Cracow in 1826 and died in Davidkof (spelling?) near Muncasz
in 1873. His family name had originally been Ungar or Auerbach but
being orphaned at an early age, adopted a new name. Curiously,
Freedberg's bibliographical dictionary has yet another surname
for him. (I suspect a copying error.)

As to the work Shenos Chaim, which Mr. K correctly describes as a
commentary on Rabbenu Yerucham, this was originally published in
Lemberg (today Lviv) in 1871. If this is the edition seen, may I
suggest he gets hold of a later edition published in Jerusalem in
1985. This includes a preface by a knowledgable contemporary Talmid
Chacham, R' Moshe Zishe Kunstlicher. There might be more information
there.

Incidentally, the Rabbenu Yerucham referred to is a 14th Centyry
Gadol, R' Yerucham ben Meshulam, a pupil of the Rosh, who went into
exile from Provence to Spain. In contradistinction to many Gedolim
who are commonly named by their seforim - e.g., Chafetz Chaim,
Chazon Ish - when talmudists say Rabbenu Yerucham, they ususally do
not mean the person, but his two part halachic sefer, Odom Vechavoh
& Mayshorim.

There is a most curious story told about this last opus. The Chida
(18th Cent.) in his Shem Hagdolim states that there exists a belief
or tradition that anybody who publishes a commentary on Rabbenu
Yerucham is destined for an early grave. It may be noted that the
author of the Shenos Chaim died aged 47!

I hope the above is of general interest without being unconnected
with genealogy.

Leslie Reich
-------- 3/26/2004 09:51:28 PM

TITLE: re: Shenos Chaim
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 3/25/2004 09:50:45 PM

From: Elly Klein
To: rachack@futurecities.com
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 1:41 PM

my grandfather's name is also reuven chaim klein from munkatch

he had an uncle also named reuven chaim klein, who was known as the s'nenah rov- he was the son in law to r' shayle kerister

who is your family ?

elly klein
-------- 3/25/2004 09:50:45 PM

TITLE: Reuven Chaim Klein
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 3/22/2004 11:21:47 PM

From: "R.C. Klein"
To: ,

It says on your site by the 23 of Teves, "HaGaon Moreinu v"Rabeinu Rabbi Reuven Haim Klein (son of Rabbi Binyamin Eliezar Ungar-Aurbach), author of "Shanot Hayim" on "Toldot Adam v' Hava," Av Beit Din Galil Davidkoff, passedaway. Zt"l. (5633)" I am supposedly a descendant of this Rav, (and I even share the same name as him) can you help me find more information about him and his descendants? (I have the very rare sefer, Shenos Chaim, written by him printed and discontinued by Mechon Yerushalayim)

Thank You.

=====
Reuven Chaim Klein
AIM/AOL Screename: IAmRachack (Add|IM)
MSN Passport/email: Rachack@futurecities.com and Anakin9000@yahoo.com
Homepage: http://kleins.100megsfree5.com
-------- 3/22/2004 11:21:47 PM

TITLE: Shenos Chaim
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 3/22/2004 09:49:08 PM

Subject: Shenos Chayim
From: "R.C. Klein"
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 22:09:54 -0800
X-Message-Number: 1

Hi, my name is Reuven Chaim Klein. I am a descendant of Reuven Chaim
Klein who wrote the sefer Shenos Chayim (which is a commentary on
the Rebbenu Yerucham). He lived in the city of Munkatch. I have a
copy of his sefer. In it, where describing himself, it says he is
of the offspring of the TaZ and the ReMa. I was wondering if you can
help me get more information.

Reuven Chaim Klein
mailto:Rachack@futurecities.com
-------- 3/22/2004 09:49:08 PM

TITLE: re: Tree Stuff
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 3/18/2004 09:48:21 PM

From: ObiWantKanoli@aol.com
To: rachack@futurecities.com
Cc: WillBlau@aol.com ; kleinyossi@yahoo.com
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 2:35 AM
Subject: Tree stuff....

I've inserted my comments into your text, in bold and underscored for easy
finding.

In a message dated 3/18/04 1:42:59 AM, rachack@futurecities.com writes:

<< (aight I'm sending this email to everyone... I think...)

No you didn't, and it is a good thing, too, since not many would
know what, exactly, you are talking about. I still don't know what the books
you mention are, and how they relate to this. Even you admit that.
You might get a hold of Laci Bacsi's book about Bonyhad. Yes he wrote a book
about the town's history [hope you know what Bonyhad is/was] and it contains a
lot of information which might help you, as well as being a fascinating
account of a particular branch of your personal history.
If your parents don't have a copy of it, I am certain he will be happy to
send you an autographed copy.

Also, Spell Check is a program I highly reccommend. Not only will you come
off as being very literate, it will actually teach you how to spell by pointing
out your errors, repeatedly, until you stop making them. In the case of words
which make no sense at all (like the word you started this letter with...
well, you'll be the first to know)

About the tree stuff, I was planning on backing it up, but then I accidently
deleted alot of it (it's a bad habit to press shift+del when deleteing files),
I guess I will have to go through my Primary Source once again (that being
the Shenos Chaim book which was written by a common ansector shared between me
and Reb Yossi, but I still don't know how that relates to me personally it
seems to be applicable many generations ago.) If I get done a decent amount of
stuff, I will print it out and keep copies in my house. I had worked alot from
that book mentioned above and also I had found someone who is working on the
genalogy of the Bnei Yissachar and he helped me a little bit with some spelling
and an extra generation.

"Tree stuff" ? If your grandmother would have read this, she would think you
have taken up gardening. It's called a Family Tree.
But, I suppose you've had a dialog about this with the people you have sent
this too, but if you will want help on the Barany/Blau/Kuttner side, (a) please
explain to your elders what your project is about, (b) specify what it is you
would like for them to supply you with. I've already told you in my last
letter who might be able to help you with this.

I will have to re-do everything I got from that book next time I have off
from school, but Yossi also sent me some information about "the next generation"
(ie. Becky's kids, Dani's, Ari's, Elana's...) and a little bit about the
Kuttner's, who were common ansectors to everyone in this email.

BTW, you spelled "Kuttner" wrong on the site. Little things like that
are embarrassing. Again, information about Barany/Kuttner/Blau, going back
two to three (or more) generations, is readily available for the asking, if you
ask the right people, who I mentioned in my last email.

I received Leslie's suggestions in a .dat file, but I don't have a program
that can open it, so please re-send it either as a .doc. .rtf .txt .html or in
an email.

My attachment was a simple Word document. I don't know why you could not open
it. If you still have it, launch Word and try again, only because Word
retains the format I copied from your website. But am sending it again to you in one
of the other formats now. I have to wonder though, with all the crap you and
your brother must have downloaded from the internet in your heyday, ever think
about grabbing Stuff Expander, Graphic Converter, Decoder, Acrobat, Unzip
(Spell Check) programs and the like? Most of them are free, so I had assumed that
computer geniuses like the two of you are fully equipped.

What I also ask is if everyone can find me any other family trees lying
around their house or something.

Yeah, I've got an oak tree right here in my living room. Came through the
window the last storm. If you are going to try your hand at precise
communication, my advice is that you back-track a bit, explain to people what the project
is about. You want them to put aside the laundry and take the time to do a
little homework for you. Explain how you've taken on the admirable effort to
preserve our history, to be the Keeper of the Flame (if need be, Google will help
define the phrase for you). Again, the right people are Laci Bacsi, Edith
Gruen, Agi Zwick, your grandmother and her sisters, and William Blau to help
facilitate communications because of his close proximity to them. I do not believe
Israel Zwick gives a rat's ass about this, and I would also be surprised if
Elana did. That leaves Yossi, Billy, and me. What about your Dad? Does he know
about this and has he tried to help you with it?

(I know you have one Yossi, I had a log of a Yahoo! conversation between us
and u said u got one from some Schwatrz guy or something). And by the way, I
didn't make http://kleins.100megsfree5.com/tree by myself, I am using a
genealogy program that I downloaded called GenoPro and it generated the site.

I think found the phantom Zwick website:
http://home.earthlink.net/~israel.zwick/ I think I figured out their email adresses too.

Yup. The Awicks travel in posses. They have all been recently Earthlinked.
Daddy Z. has them all on one frequency and account,
using the old multiple email address ploy. If you've got one of their
addresses, you should be able to hack the rest.

Leslie, About the Arab joke, I like my interpretation but it can go either
way.

No, with the Arbs it can only go one way.

And about dropping Anakin, that email address is a classic that I started
using back on December 18,1998. I don't even like Star Wars any more, but it's a
classic and you don't tamper with a classic (plus I just revived the email
address recently after a long retirement).

I am also a very sentimental guy.
Just to prove I am right there with you in my reverence for the real
"classics"
(screw Citizen Kane, Ben Hur, West Side Story, and Exodus) from the
Hollyshlock Dream Machine, I have sent you this email from one of my other addresses
which
I don't expect to be checking on too often, in the future. So continue to use
lesbarany@aol.com

Best regards, Grasshopper,
Don't take the cynical tone of this response to heart.
It's been that kind of (long) day.

Les

INFO FROM YESTERDAY

Ernest (Erno) Barany
19__ - 19__

???'s Family

Spouse: Pearl Kuttner (Married)
Children: Leslie Barany, Agi Barany

Family lost in the Holocaust:
Spouse:
Children: Twin daughters

???'s Heritage

Parents: Simon Barany & -------- ---------
Siblings: Laszlo (Laci) Barany, and a sister

Pearl (Gyongyi) Kuttner

Pearl's Family

Spouse: Ernest (Erno) Barany (Married)
Children: Leslie Barany, Agi Barany

Pearl's Heritage

Parents: ??? Kutner, ??? ???
Siblings: Sara Kuttner, Rose Kuttner, Marcel Kuttner, plus another sister and
brother

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Ernest (Erno) Barany

19__ - 19__

???'s Family

Spouse: Pearl Kuttner (Married)

Children: Leslie Barany, Agi Barany

Family lost in the Holocaust:

Spouse:

Children: Twin daughters

???'s Heritage

Parents: Simon Barany & -------- ---------

Siblings: Laszlo (Laci) Barany, and a sister

Pearl (Gyongyi) Kuttner

Pearl's Family

Spouse: Ernest (Erno) Barany (Married)

Children: Leslie Barany, Agi Barany

Pearl's Heritage

Parents: ??? Kutner, ??? ???

Siblings: Sara Kuttner, Rose Kuttner, Marcel Kuttner, plus another sister and brother

-------- 3/18/2004 09:48:21 PM

TITLE: Family Tree Comments
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 3/17/2004 09:47:41 PM

From: Yossi Klein
To: Reuven Klein
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 2:28 AM
Subject: Family Tree Comments

1. Kuttner has 2 t's in it
2. You should be consistent; decide on Hebrew or
English names.
3. Michal's maiden name is Werbloswki (although it may
end with a 'y'; I'm not sure)
4. Malka's (not Malki) maiden name is Albert.
5. Meira should be Meira Leah (since you're putting in
middle names as well).
5. The top level Kuttners are Meir and Devorah
6. Debra's maiden name is Hornestay (not Klein)
7. The Ciments' children are: Chaim, Yaakov, and
Binyamin. I don't know if they have middle names
8. Dani & Malka's children are Yosef and Miriam Bayla
9. Ari & Michal's children are Yehuda Simcha,Rochel
Bayla, and Tamar
10. Elana and Shlomo's child is Avrohom

That's all for now,
Yossi

-------- 3/17/2004 09:47:41 PM

TITLE:
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 3/17/2004 09:46:57 PM

From: LesBarany@aol.com
To: rachack@futurecities.com ; kleinyossi@yahoo.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 1:06 AM
Subject: Family Tree

Reuven,

The family-tree is a worthwhile project.
The people whose help you might ask for with filling in your blanks are Edith
Gruen, Bill Blau, Leslie Blau and your uncle Yossi in Israel. In fact, Bill
can sit with your mother and the folks in Boro Park one evening and try to
document how far they can reach back. Just tried to copy this to Bill but, again,
he either switched emails or is down again.

Maybe you should send out an email to the different branches of the families
and request they look at what you have already done and ask they to supply you
with whatever additional information they can.

If they decide to help you, I think you should go on with your efforts.

My other suggestion is that you back up the information off-site, in your
computer
or on an external harddrive. Maybe Uncle Joe has some ideas?

I will check out the site.

Les
-------- 3/17/2004 09:46:57 PM

TITLE: Family Tree
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 3/17/2004 09:45:12 PM

In a message dated 3/17/04 1:06:40 AM, rachack@futurecities.com writes:

<< I have semi-made a website about the whole family tree and since then I
lost some of my collected data which I will try to get back during my next
vacation. You can see the current site (minus the data I'm missing) at

http://kleins.100megsfree5.com/tree
if you have time, you can help me fill in the empty spots. >> -------- 3/17/2004 09:45:12 PM

TITLE: family of the bnei yissachar
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 3/1/2004 09:44:24 PM

From: R.C. Klein
To: moishe@langsam.com
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 10:44 PM
Subject: Re: the family of the bnei yissachar (img attached)

as i said in the last email, all I know is that I am somehow a desecdant of the Shenos Chaim

=====
Reuven Chaim Klein
AIM/AOL Screename: IAmRachack (Add|IM)
MSN Passport/email: Rachack@futurecities.com and Anakin9000@yahoo.com
Homepage: http://kleins.100megsfree5.com -------- 3/1/2004 09:44:24 PM

TITLE: family of the bnei yissachar
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 2/29/2004 09:44:56 PM

On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 22:44:14 -0800
"R.C. Klein" wrote:
> I don't have any more information everything I got was
> from the sefer and I myself am still trying to figure out
> where my family fits in, all we know is that we are
> somehow descendant of the Michaber of the Shenos Chaim.
>
> As for that other email address, I got it from your
> site I guess it was someone else who was also researching
> the Bnei Yissachar. Anyways it was returned to sender
> from that address.
>
> Thanks for your information, and have a happy Purim,
>
> =====
> Reuven Chaim Klein
> AIM/AOL Screename: IAmRachack (Add|IM)
> MSN Passport/email: Rachack@futurecities.com and
> Anakin9000@yahoo.com
> Homepage: http://kleins.100megsfree5.com
> -------- 2/29/2004 09:44:56 PM

TITLE: family of the bnei yissachar
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 2/29/2004 09:44:39 PM

From: moishe@langsam.com
To: R.C. Klein ; moishe@langsam.com
Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 11:51 PM
Subject: Re: the family of the bnei yissachar (img attached)

Please tell me how YOU connect to the tree that you sent to
me.

Moishe -------- 2/29/2004 09:44:39 PM

TITLE: family of the bnei yissachar
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 2/29/2004 09:43:12 PM

> From: moishe@langsam.com
> To: R.C. Klein ; moishe@langsam.com ;
> lehrer@avoda.jct.ac.il
> Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 3:53 PM
> Subject: Re: the family of the bnei yissachar (img
> attached)
>
>
> Hi,
>
> This should help (see below and attached pdf). Can you
> share anymore details on the children of Shaindel
> Beinhorn?
> Also, who is
>
>
> -Moishe
>
> 1 Pesach Langsam 1748 - 1820
> .. +Ita ?
> ......... 2 Bnei Yissochur, R' Hersh Mylech Spira
> 1783 -
> 1841
> ............. +Chana Mindel ?
> .................... 3 Rivka Spira - 1841
> ........................ +Yakov Uri 1810 - 1855
> ............................... 4 Rochel Leah Uri
> ................................... +Naftali
> Seidenfeld 1831 - 1903
> ........................................... 5 Sheindel
> Seidenfeld - 1944
> ...............................................
> +Yechiel
> Mechel Beinhorn
> ......................................................
> 6
> Meir Beinhorn
>
..........................................................
> +Rivka
> Chana Shank
>
.................................................................
> 7
> Aryeh Beinhorn
>
.....................................................................
> +Sima
> Gottesman
>
............................................................................
> 8
> Rachel Beinhorn
>
> -------- 2/29/2004 09:43:12 PM

TITLE: The family of the bnei yissachar
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 2/29/2004 09:28:46 PM

From: "R.C. Klein"
To:
I don't have any more information everything I got was from the sefer and I myself am still trying to figure out where my family fits in, all we know is that we are somehow descendant of the Michaber of the Shenos Chaim.

As for that other email address, I got it from your site I guess it was someone else who was also researching the Bnei Yissachar. Anyways it was returned to sender from that address.

Thanks for your information, and have a happy Purim,

=====
Reuven Chaim Klein
AIM/AOL Screename: IAmRachack (Add|IM)
MSN Passport/email: Rachack@futurecities.com and Anakin9000@yahoo.com
Homepage: http://kleins.100megsfree5.com

----- Original Message -----
From: moishe@langsam.com
To: R.C. Klein ; moishe@langsam.com ; lehrer@avoda.jct.ac.il
Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 3:53 PM
Subject: Re: the family of the bnei yissachar (img attached)

Hi,

This should help (see below and attached pdf). Can you
share anymore details on the children of Shaindel Beinhorn?
Also, who is

-Moishe

1 Pesach Langsam 1748 - 1820
.. +Ita ?
......... 2 Bnei Yissochur, R' Hersh Mylech Spira 1783 -
1841
............. +Chana Mindel ?
.................... 3 Rivka Spira - 1841
........................ +Yakov Uri 1810 - 1855
............................... 4 Rochel Leah Uri
................................... +Naftali
Seidenfeld 1831 - 1903
........................................... 5 Sheindel
Seidenfeld - 1944
............................................... +Yechiel
Mechel Beinhorn
...................................................... 6
Meir Beinhorn
.......................................................... +Rivka
Chana Shank
................................................................. 7
Aryeh Beinhorn
..................................................................... +Sima
Gottesman
............................................................................ 8
Rachel Beinhorn

On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 21:24:05 -0800
"R.C. Klein" wrote:
> If you look on the attached image, I have written a
> family tree of mine (going back many generations, I'm not
> sure yet how I fit in) that was extracted from
> information on a page in the "Shenos Chayim" which was
> written by an ansector of mine who was related to the
> Bnei Yissachar. The help I need is that I have a few
> "???"'s on the page which represents information that I
> don't have and I am looking for. Can you please help me?
>
> Thank you,
>
> =====
> Reuven Chaim Klein
> AIM/AOL Screename: IAmRachack (Add|IM)
> MSN Passport/email: Rachack@futurecities.com and
> Anakin9000@yahoo.com
> Homepage: http://kleins.100megsfree5.com

-------- 2/29/2004 09:28:46 PM

TITLE:
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 2/28/2004 09:40:44 PM

> On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 21:24:05 -0800
> "R.C. Klein" wrote:
> > If you look on the attached image, I have written a
> > family tree of mine (going back many generations, I'm
> not
> > sure yet how I fit in) that was extracted from
> > information on a page in the "Shenos Chayim" which
> was
> > written by an ansector of mine who was related to the
> > Bnei Yissachar. The help I need is that I have a few
> > "???"'s on the page which represents information that
> I
> > don't have and I am looking for. Can you please help
> me?
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> > =====
> > Reuven Chaim Klein
> > AIM/AOL Screename: IAmRachack (Add|IM)
> > MSN Passport/email: Rachack@futurecities.com and
> > Anakin9000@yahoo.com
> > Homepage: http://kleins.100megsfree5.com
>

-------- 2/28/2004 09:40:44 PM

TITLE: The family of the bnei yissachar
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 2/28/2004 09:26:45 PM

From: "R.C. Klein"
To: ,
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 21:24:05 -0800
If you look on the attached image, I have written a family tree of mine (going back many generations, I'm not sure yet how I fit in) that was extracted from information on a page in the "Shenos Chayim" which was written by an ansector of mine who was related to the Bnei Yissachar. The help I need is that I have a few "???"'s on the page which represents information that I don't have and I am looking for. Can you please help me?

Thank you,

=====
Reuven Chaim Klein
AIM/AOL Screename: IAmRachack (Add|IM)
MSN Passport/email: Rachack@futurecities.com and Anakin9000@yahoo.com
Homepage: http://kleins.100megsfree5.com

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TITLE: re: a munkatch rebbe
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 2/18/2004 09:38:26 PM

From: Frumteens@aol.com
To: rachack@futurecities.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: a munkatch rebbe

His name is Reuvein Chain Klein. His phone # 718-627-7036 . Tell him you got his number from a friend of yours whos friends with his nephew Ephraim Klein, who gave me his number. -------- 2/18/2004 09:38:26 PM

TITLE: re: Munkatch Rebbe
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 2/13/2004 11:07:05 PM

MODERATOR Posted - 13 February 2004 11:39
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Your family very prominent in the Munkatcher community in Brooklyn, and very close to the Munkatcher Rebbe. You should get in touch with your cousin and namesake, Reuven Chaim Klein, currently of Boro Park, originally from Munkatch. If you cannot find his phone number, email me at frumteens@aol.com and I will send it to you. -------- 2/13/2004 11:07:05 PM

TITLE: re: Munkatch Rebbe
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 2/13/2004 09:37:41 PM

From: R.C. Klein
To: frumteens@aol.com
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 1:12 PM
Subject: a munkatch rebbe

You said, "Your family very prominent in the Munkatcher community in Brooklyn, and very close to the Munkatcher Rebbe. You should get in touch with your cousin and namesake, Reuven Chaim Klein, currently of Boro Park, originally from Munkatch. If you cannot find his phone number, email me at frumteens@aol.com and I will send it to you." Can you elaborate on this and please tell me his phone number. Thank you alot on behalf of me and my father. -------- 2/13/2004 09:37:41 PM

TITLE: A Munkatch Rebbe
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 2/13/2004 03:18:15 PM

Rachack Posted - 13 February 2004 11:31
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You don't have to post this if you don't want, but could please email me back with some answers or information?

Hi my name is Reuven Chaim Klein. My father has a tradition from his family (his father was nifter when my father was a mere 7 years old) that an ansector of ours(who had the same name as mine and my grandfather) wrote a sefer called the Shenos Chayim which is a sefer on the "Rabbienu Yerucham." This sefer was printed in Lemberg in 1871 and later in Yerushalayim by "Mechon Yerushalayim" in the 1980s. In this sefer in makes mention that my ansector, Reuven Chaim Klein lived in Munkatch and was a descendant of the Ramah and the Taz. I would like to be able to trace my lineage as far up as I can, is there any help you can provide me here? I have a copy of the sefer but I can't quite decipher some of it, and I can't link my family to the author. Can you tell me of any living relatives to the author and any more information about him. (I also know that he was a student of the Chasam Sofer.) And I can also give you some more information about the sefer which I have, but we don't really know much about my family. So can you please help me look into this?

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TITLE: In the beginning...
AUTHOR: Reuven Chaim Klein
DATE: 3/6/2001 10:06:11 AM

Question: Can you send me all the information you have about a rabbi called Shnos Chayim that wrote a book called the shenos chayim, a commentary on the Rabbainu Yerucham.
And send me information on any living reletives?

Answer: Rabbi Reuven Chayim Klein was born in 1826 in Cracow. He studied in the yeshiva of the Chatam Sofer in Pressburg and in the yeshiva of the Gaon Rabbi Meir Aish, the author of the Imrei Aish. He served as the rabbi in the area of Davidoff.
In 1871 he published his essay â€œShnot Chayimâ€ on a section of the sefer â€œRabbeinu Yeruchamâ€. He passed away on 22 Tevet, 1873. He died and was buried in Vienna. In 1985, a new edition was published by his descendants in the framework of Machon Yerushalayim.
The descendants whose names appear in the beginning of the sefer are:
His great-granddaughter - Mrs. Sarah Bainhorn (Rechov HaRav Frank 40, Jerusalem POB 16217) and her sons-in-law, Moshe Goldmintz and Moshe Mordechai Kahane.
Also, the Shapiro family - the â€œBnai Zionâ€ and his descendants.
It appears from the sefer, that his family is connected to the Monkatch Chassidim and that his children were among the important Chassidim there. Therefore, it is worthwhile to inquire with the Monkatch Chassidim in the States. -------- 3/6/2001 10:06:11 AM

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