Wednesday, August 16, 2023

Re:

I agree, I don't think it's the same family.

Shalom & Kol Tuv

Reuven Chaim Klein

Beitar Illit, Israel

Author of: God versus Gods & Lashon HaKodesh

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On Wed, Aug 16, 2023 at 10:38 PM Corner Plaza <1cornerplaza@gmail.com> wrote:
moshe Klein had a daughter rifka herczl and  yittel grunwald. his wife frimet had a sister Miriam blume herczl and brother yoel tzvi bineth from paksh Hungary. I don't think it's the same family.

On Wed, 16 Aug 2023, 20:24 Corner Plaza, <1cornerplaza@gmail.com> wrote:
thank you for replying. it seems like my brother made a mistake. he thought moshe Klein's father was Reuven chaim Klein from dviklav because my great uncle was called Reuven chaim. Moshe klein was niftar about 130 years ago in donafeldvar hungary. he was a son in law of menachem mendel bineth from paksh hungary. menachem mendel bineth came from ukraine to paksh to become Dayan. I still cant find out who moshe Klein father was. moshe Klein had a son Shraga feivel klein daughter miriam blume herczl tzerl fischer ida miller and more daughter. 
do you know if this fischer in lost Angeles is a cohen. if he is I'd like to contact him I'm looking for more information on the fischer family. thanks for all your help. esther fischer 1cornerplaza@gmail.com 

On Wed, 16 Aug 2023, 14:21 RC Klein - Lashon HaKodesh, <historyofhebrew@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm a bit confused by your questions, so let's start from the beginning.
My great-great-great-grandfather Rabbi Reuven Chaim Klein (rav of Davidkoff, author of Shenos Chaim) had 3 sons: Binyamin Eliezer Klein, Tzvi Dov (Hersch Ber) Klein, and Yeruchem Klein. As far as I know, he did not have a son named Moshe. I am a descendant of his oldest son, Binyamin Eliezer (who was my great-grandfather). Binyamin Eliezer also did not have a son named Moshe, his only son was named Mordechai (my great-grandfather). Mordechai also only had one son, who was named Reuven Chaim Klein (my grandfather). So there's nobody named Moshe so far. What makes your brother think that your family descends from the Shenos Chaim? Maybe you can CC your brother on this email so we can discuss?
There was Moshe Azriel Klein (1895-1971) who was a grandson of the Shenos Chaim (through his son Tzvi Dov/Hersch Ber), is that who you're thinking of? There might be more Moshe Kleins in the family tree, but I still need more info to know what I'm looking for.
Are you related to the Fischer family from Los Angeles? I think I remember there's a Rabbi Fischer (whose wife is a Grossman) who is a descendant of the Shenos Chaim.

Shalom & Kol Tuv

Reuven Chaim Klein

Beitar Illit, Israel

Author of: God versus Gods & Lashon HaKodesh

ORCiD | LinkedIN | Google Scholar | Amazon



On Wed, Aug 16, 2023 at 2:48 PM Corner Plaza <1cornerplaza@gmail.com> wrote:
thank you for replying. I am a fischer einikel from pressburg. my grandmother tzerl fischer was the daughter of moshe and frimet Klein from donafeldvar. we dont know who moshe Klein's father was. my brother knows his name was reuven chaim Klein rav of davidkoff. my grandfather had a brother reuven chaim who was named after that grandfather. he was only nifter a few years ago in yerushalayim. he lived till 105. maybe you would know if your great grandfather had a son moshe Klein. do you know who your grandfather's children were? I know that my great grandfather moshe Klein came from a very choshuve background. thank you for all your help. 
esther fischer manchester.

On Tue, 15 Aug 2023, 09:42 RC Klein - Lashon HaKodesh, <historyofhebrew@gmail.com> wrote:
I am named after my grandfather Reuven Chaim Klein who was named after his great-grandfather Rabbi Reuven Chaim Klein, rav of Davidkoff who wrote the work Shenos Chaim. What sort of information are you looking for? I've done lots of genealogical research. If you tell me more about your parents and grandparents, I might be able to help.
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On Mon, Aug 14, 2023 at 11:16 PM Corner Plaza <1cornerplaza@gmail.com> wrote:
I just realized that you have the same name as my great grandfather reuven chaim Klein. I'm trying to find out more about him. maybe you are named after the same person. are you named after reuven chaim klein? please email me to 1cornerplaza@gmail.com thank you. I read your article in the Jewish Tribune that's where I saw your name.
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Shalom & Kol Tuv

Reuven Chaim Klein

Beitar Illit, Israel

Author of: God versus Gods & Lashon HaKodesh

ORCiD | LinkedIN | Google Scholar | Amazon



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From: Corner Plaza <1cornerplaza@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Aug 16, 2023 at 10:24 PM
Subject: Re:
To: RC Klein - Lashon HaKodesh <historyofhebrew@gmail.com>


thank you for replying. it seems like my brother made a mistake. he thought moshe Klein's father was Reuven chaim Klein from dviklav because my great uncle was called Reuven chaim. Moshe klein was niftar about 130 years ago in donafeldvar hungary. he was a son in law of menachem mendel bineth from paksh hungary. menachem mendel bineth came from ukraine to paksh to become Dayan. I still cant find out who moshe Klein father was. moshe Klein had a son Shraga feivel klein daughter miriam blume herczl tzerl fischer ida miller and more daughter. 
do you know if this fischer in lost Angeles is a cohen. if he is I'd like to contact him I'm looking for more information on the fischer family. thanks for all your help. esther fischer 1cornerplaza@gmail.com 

On Wed, 16 Aug 2023, 14:21 RC Klein - Lashon HaKodesh, <historyofhebrew@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm a bit confused by your questions, so let's start from the beginning.
My great-great-great-grandfather Rabbi Reuven Chaim Klein (rav of Davidkoff, author of Shenos Chaim) had 3 sons: Binyamin Eliezer Klein, Tzvi Dov (Hersch Ber) Klein, and Yeruchem Klein. As far as I know, he did not have a son named Moshe. I am a descendant of his oldest son, Binyamin Eliezer (who was my great-grandfather). Binyamin Eliezer also did not have a son named Moshe, his only son was named Mordechai (my great-grandfather). Mordechai also only had one son, who was named Reuven Chaim Klein (my grandfather). So there's nobody named Moshe so far. What makes your brother think that your family descends from the Shenos Chaim? Maybe you can CC your brother on this email so we can discuss?
There was Moshe Azriel Klein (1895-1971) who was a grandson of the Shenos Chaim (through his son Tzvi Dov/Hersch Ber), is that who you're thinking of? There might be more Moshe Kleins in the family tree, but I still need more info to know what I'm looking for.
Are you related to the Fischer family from Los Angeles? I think I remember there's a Rabbi Fischer (whose wife is a Grossman) who is a descendant of the Shenos Chaim.

Shalom & Kol Tuv

Reuven Chaim Klein

Beitar Illit, Israel

Author of: God versus Gods & Lashon HaKodesh

ORCiD | LinkedIN | Google Scholar | Amazon



On Wed, Aug 16, 2023 at 2:48 PM Corner Plaza <1cornerplaza@gmail.com> wrote:
thank you for replying. I am a fischer einikel from pressburg. my grandmother tzerl fischer was the daughter of moshe and frimet Klein from donafeldvar. we dont know who moshe Klein's father was. my brother knows his name was reuven chaim Klein rav of davidkoff. my grandfather had a brother reuven chaim who was named after that grandfather. he was only nifter a few years ago in yerushalayim. he lived till 105. maybe you would know if your great grandfather had a son moshe Klein. do you know who your grandfather's children were? I know that my great grandfather moshe Klein came from a very choshuve background. thank you for all your help. 
esther fischer manchester.

On Tue, 15 Aug 2023, 09:42 RC Klein - Lashon HaKodesh, <historyofhebrew@gmail.com> wrote:
I am named after my grandfather Reuven Chaim Klein who was named after his great-grandfather Rabbi Reuven Chaim Klein, rav of Davidkoff who wrote the work Shenos Chaim. What sort of information are you looking for? I've done lots of genealogical research. If you tell me more about your parents and grandparents, I might be able to help.
See:

On Mon, Aug 14, 2023 at 11:16 PM Corner Plaza <1cornerplaza@gmail.com> wrote:
I just realized that you have the same name as my great grandfather reuven chaim Klein. I'm trying to find out more about him. maybe you are named after the same person. are you named after reuven chaim klein? please email me to 1cornerplaza@gmail.com thank you. I read your article in the Jewish Tribune that's where I saw your name.
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Re:

I'm a bit confused by your questions, so let's start from the beginning.
My great-great-great-grandfather Rabbi Reuven Chaim Klein (rav of Davidkoff, author of Shenos Chaim) had 3 sons: Binyamin Eliezer Klein, Tzvi Dov (Hersch Ber) Klein, and Yeruchem Klein. As far as I know, he did not have a son named Moshe. I am a descendant of his oldest son, Binyamin Eliezer (who was my great-grandfather). Binyamin Eliezer also did not have a son named Moshe, his only son was named Mordechai (my great-grandfather). Mordechai also only had one son, who was named Reuven Chaim Klein (my grandfather). So there's nobody named Moshe so far. What makes your brother think that your family descends from the Shenos Chaim? Maybe you can CC your brother on this email so we can discuss?
There was Moshe Azriel Klein (1895-1971) who was a grandson of the Shenos Chaim (through his son Tzvi Dov/Hersch Ber), is that who you're thinking of? There might be more Moshe Kleins in the family tree, but I still need more info to know what I'm looking for.
Are you related to the Fischer family from Los Angeles? I think I remember there's a Rabbi Fischer (whose wife is a Grossman) who is a descendant of the Shenos Chaim.

Shalom & Kol Tuv

Reuven Chaim Klein

Beitar Illit, Israel

Author of: God versus Gods & Lashon HaKodesh

ORCiD | LinkedIN | Google Scholar | Amazon



On Wed, Aug 16, 2023 at 2:48 PM Corner Plaza <1cornerplaza@gmail.com> wrote:
thank you for replying. I am a fischer einikel from pressburg. my grandmother tzerl fischer was the daughter of moshe and frimet Klein from donafeldvar. we dont know who moshe Klein's father was. my brother knows his name was reuven chaim Klein rav of davidkoff. my grandfather had a brother reuven chaim who was named after that grandfather. he was only nifter a few years ago in yerushalayim. he lived till 105. maybe you would know if your great grandfather had a son moshe Klein. do you know who your grandfather's children were? I know that my great grandfather moshe Klein came from a very choshuve background. thank you for all your help. 
esther fischer manchester.

On Tue, 15 Aug 2023, 09:42 RC Klein - Lashon HaKodesh, <historyofhebrew@gmail.com> wrote:
I am named after my grandfather Reuven Chaim Klein who was named after his great-grandfather Rabbi Reuven Chaim Klein, rav of Davidkoff who wrote the work Shenos Chaim. What sort of information are you looking for? I've done lots of genealogical research. If you tell me more about your parents and grandparents, I might be able to help.
See:

On Mon, Aug 14, 2023 at 11:16 PM Corner Plaza <1cornerplaza@gmail.com> wrote:
I just realized that you have the same name as my great grandfather reuven chaim Klein. I'm trying to find out more about him. maybe you are named after the same person. are you named after reuven chaim klein? please email me to 1cornerplaza@gmail.com thank you. I read your article in the Jewish Tribune that's where I saw your name.
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Thursday, August 10, 2023

Re: Bonyhad booklet?

Yes, I was involved in publishing the Hebrew translation of my great-uncle Mr. Blau's book about Bonyhad. I don't have any copies of the book at my house, but there should be some copies left with Ari Gruen (CC'ed on this email) in Ramat Bet Shemesh, so maybe you can figure out how he can get them to you in Haifa. 
In the meantime, the book is supposed to available for free on the NLI website, but I have to sort some things out with the NLI first, so in the meantime you can read it and download it on Google Books: https://www.google.co.il/books/edition/%D7%91%D7%95%D7%A0_%D7%94%D7%90%D7%93_%D7%94%D7%A7%D7%94%D7%99%D7%9C%D7%94_%D7%95%D7%97%D7%95%D7%A8%D7%91%D7%A0/mF16EAAAQBAJ
As for your other questions, I'm not familiar enough with the KRITZLER branch to pass judgement, so I can't say anything.

Shalom & Kol Tuv,

Reuven Chaim Klein

Beitar Illit, Israel

Author of: God versus Gods & Lashon HaKodesh

ORCiD | LinkedIN | Google Scholar | Amazon



On Thu, Aug 10, 2023 at 11:44 AM Lynn Pollak Golumbic <lynnpollak@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
In following up on the Bonyhad geniza story, a Pollak cousin wrote asking for some help.
The short version is that I spoke to Shlomo Kritzler from Sanhedria Murchevet and he said that someone from Beitar put out a booklet on BOnyhad a few years ago and perhaps the info is there.

I suppose that is you. Perhaps you could send me the booklet?

The long story is this:
Her MIL had a sister, Beila Schon b 1912 Mattesdorf, who was married to a David Kritzler, b. 1908 in Bonyhad and they had 3 children, all of whom were murdered. They lived in Hogyesz, which is not far from Bonyhad.
I have 3 David Kritzlers on my tree from Bonyhad, all of whom were murdered. 
THe most likely candidate is Shlomo Kritzler's uncle ( father's brother) for whom I have no wife's name, and 3 children. The names don't match exactly but could be the same:
Breindel= Ibi Blima
Yisrael Shalom = Karl
Chaya = Evik
What do you think?

BTW I believe that the Israel Kritzler who stamped one of the books is his grandfather and so am sending Shlomo the photo.
Thanks,
Lynn
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